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>Mar 08 14:42:15 <rnorwood>	jbowes: I have a yum/dependency question for ya...
>Mar 08 14:42:40 <jbowes>	rnorwood: fire away
>Mar 08 14:43:02 <rnorwood>	jbowes: Are you familiar with the perl/perl-devel split thing?  this is related to that.
>Mar 08 14:43:18 <rnorwood>	jbowes: Anyway, the short version is we're splitting some things into perl-devel
>Mar 08 14:43:24 <jbowes>	rnorwood: i am somewhat
>Mar 08 14:43:30 <rnorwood>	jbowes: And we want people to be able to install them.
>Mar 08 14:43:44 <jbowes>	rnorwood: there's your problem.
>Mar 08 14:43:48 <rnorwood>	jbowes: Or, I should say, ask you to install 'perl(MissingModule)'
>Mar 08 14:44:38 <rnorwood>	jbowes: So see this msg: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-perl-devel-list/2007-March/msg00067.html
>Mar 08 14:45:01 <rnorwood>	jbowes: I've reproduced that on my system, and tried a couple of things to 'fix' it, but I'm stumped.
>Mar 08 14:45:10 <skvidal>	rnorwood: I've been looking at it some, too.
>Mar 08 14:45:50 <rnorwood>	skvidal: Oh, cool. :-)
>Mar 08 14:46:10 <skvidal>	it shows up in the provides properly
>Mar 08 14:46:15 <skvidal>	something is converting it internally
>Mar 08 14:46:25 <skvidal>	and mangling the hell out of the () :: stuff
>Mar 08 14:46:38 <skvidal>	and I have this suspicion it has to do w/it looking like a regex
>Mar 08 14:46:59 <jbowes>	skvidal: so you think it's just commandline parsing?
>Mar 08 14:47:09 <rnorwood>	skvidal: I've got things set up so that: perl-devel provides perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker), and perl-IO-String provides perl(IO::String), both of these are in the repos, and yet "yum install 'perl(IO::String)'" works, yet "yum install 'perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)'" does not.
>Mar 08 14:47:18 <skvidal>	jbowes: no - parsing internally.
>Mar 08 14:48:28 <jbowes>	if the old perl is not in the repo, do things work? ie so that only perl-devel provides it. this is a wild guess
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>Mar 08 14:48:53 <rnorwood>	jbowes: Good question, lemme check
>Mar 08 14:50:22 <rnorwood>	jbowes: that does work, as it happens.
>Mar 08 14:50:38 <rnorwood>	[root@solitude RPMS]# yum install 'perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)'
>Mar 08 14:50:39 <rnorwood>	...
>Mar 08 14:50:53 <rnorwood>	 perl-devel              i686       4:5.8.8-14.fc7.1  perl-14.1         819 k
>Mar 08 14:51:03 <|DrJef|>	j-rod, ping
>Mar 08 14:51:17 <j-rod>	|DrJef|: yo
>Mar 08 14:51:21 <|DrJef|>	j-rod, weren't you gonna get someone to put me down as co-maintainer of numpy?
>Mar 08 14:51:35 <jbowes>	rnorwood: so it might be related to the updates code
>Mar 08 14:51:44 <j-rod>	|DrJef|: yeah, still on my todo list, keeps getting superceded
>Mar 08 14:51:50 <jbowes>	rnorwood: where their provides are different, it is getting the provides for the wrong pkg
>Mar 08 14:51:52 <rnorwood>	skvidal: I tried adding an 'Obsoletes: perl < $currentversion' to perl-devel, but that didn't help
>Mar 08 14:52:00 <j-rod>	dgilmore: around?
>Mar 08 14:52:33 <j-rod>	dgilmore: you were adding co-maintainers yesterday, can I talk you into doing a few more? :)
>Mar 08 14:52:53 <j-rod>	|DrJef|: if dgilmore's around...
>Mar 08 14:53:11 <j-rod>	(or anyone that wants to add some co-maintainers)
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>Mar 08 14:54:57 <thl>	ping mmcgrath -- got some minutes?
>Mar 08 14:55:00 <|DrJef|>	bah, is there no easy way to get a historical perspective on the number of reviews you've done for Extras? I'm trying to keep a 2-1 ratio minimum for reviews-maintained packages
>Mar 08 14:55:08 <thl>	mmcgrath, btw, did you notice that we have a #epel now?
>Mar 08 14:56:19 <mmcgrath>	thl: oh yeah :-D I forgot about that
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>Mar 08 15:02:01 <rnorwood>	skvidal: jbowes: In an interesting development, I:
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>Mar 08 15:02:14 <skvidal>	I:!
>Mar 08 15:02:22 <rnorwood>	o have perl-5.8.8-14.fc7.1 installed
>Mar 08 15:02:38 <clumens>	OH NO
>Mar 08 15:03:05 <rnorwood>	o provided yum with repos for perl-<blah>-14.fc7.1, perl-<blah>-14.fc7.2 and the -devel subpackages of the above.
>Mar 08 15:03:32 <rnorwood>	And asked it to install the perl ExtUtils thingie above...and the depsolver seems to have gotten lost.
>Mar 08 15:03:36 *	fab_ (n=bellet@bellet.info) has joined #fedora-devel
>Mar 08 15:04:09 <rnorwood>	or at least seems to be going in circles:
>Mar 08 15:04:12 <rnorwood>	--> Processing Dependency: perl(subs) for package: cpanspec
>Mar 08 15:04:31 <jbowes>	rnorwood: neat!
>Mar 08 15:04:32 <rnorwood>	several hundred lines of that.
>Mar 08 15:04:46 <jbowes>	does anything provide that?
>Mar 08 15:04:48 <skvidal>	rnorwood: nice
>Mar 08 15:05:14 <rnorwood>	Oh, probably - that's not the only one, it seems to be going through every perl-related dep over and over again.
>Mar 08 15:05:28 <rnorwood>	I just didn't want to flood the channel, so I picked a random sample.
>Mar 08 15:05:31 <jbowes>	oh, if it's not the only one... it could just be slow
>Mar 08 15:05:40 <jbowes>	rnorwood: give it a while. maybe 10 minutes?
>Mar 08 15:05:50 <skvidal>	rnorwood: hold on
>Mar 08 15:05:50 <jbowes>	rnorwood: depending on your cpu
>Mar 08 15:05:57 <skvidal>	are you seeing the error on yum 3.1.X or 3.0.X?
>Mar 08 15:06:00 <rnorwood>	jbowes: oh, ok - I *think* it's repeating.
>Mar 08 15:06:05 <skvidal>	b/c I've been told it's happening on 3.0.X
>Mar 08 15:06:10 <rnorwood>	skvidal: oh, sorry, should've mentioned: 3.03-1
>Mar 08 15:06:15 <rnorwood>	er: 3.0.3-1
>Mar 08 15:06:19 <skvidal>	ah, okay
>Mar 08 15:06:23 *	rnorwood picks a version that actuall exists.
>Mar 08 15:06:32 <skvidal>	:)
>Mar 08 15:06:32 <jbowes>	nevermind me then
>Mar 08 15:06:40 <pjones>	rnorwood: so, you probably want to talk to jeremy.  of course, he's getting married saturday and won't be in the office for a while...
>Mar 08 15:06:51 <skvidal>	pjones: no, that's the new depsolver
>Mar 08 15:06:59 <skvidal>	if the old one is broken it's broken on both in this case
>Mar 08 15:07:11 <pjones>	skvidal: I'd believe they're both broken...
>Mar 08 15:07:17 <skvidal>	b/c of where the pieces intersect
>Mar 08 15:07:23 <skvidal>	pretty damned obscure :)
>Mar 08 15:07:27 <pjones>	skvidal: the obvious question is, of course, "if you switch back to rpm's again, ..."
>Mar 08 15:07:46 <skvidal>	3.0.3 is rpm's
>Mar 08 15:07:50 <skvidal>	which is what he's using
>Mar 08 15:08:36 <rsc>	skvidal: is there a big performance speedup between yum 2.6.x and yum 3.1.x/HEAD?
>Mar 08 15:08:49 <skvidal>	rsc: depends on the operation right now
>Mar 08 15:08:58 <rsc>	skvidal: updating system
>Mar 08 15:09:05 <skvidal>	not right now, no.
>Mar 08 15:09:48 <skvidal>	work-in-progress
>Mar 08 15:10:23 <skvidal>	on a lot of operations it is faster
>Mar 08 15:10:32 <skvidal>	but on the update operation the slow down is in the depsolver right now
>Mar 08 15:10:36 <skvidal>	which is unoptimized
>Mar 08 15:11:00 <pjones>	skvidal: ahh, ok.
>Mar 08 15:11:00 <rnorwood>	So any suggestions on the not-being-able-to-resolve-my-dep issue?
>Mar 08 15:11:01 <pjones>	hrm.
>Mar 08 15:11:02 <rsc>	that would be nice and could me make switching :)
>Mar 08 15:11:23 <pjones>	rnorwood: --exclude=perl-<blah>-14.fc7.1 ?
>Mar 08 15:11:27 <rnorwood>	Any way I can tweak the deps in the new perl or perl-devel to make it work, or should I just file a bug?
>Mar 08 15:11:46 <pjones>	... and you should file a bug.
>Mar 08 15:11:47 <skvidal>	rnorwood: there's no arch-change involved in this, too, is there?
>Mar 08 15:12:20 <rnorwood>	pjones: well, there's the 'depsolver on a roundabout' issue, but there's also the other issue of it not being able to find/resolve perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) even though it is there (just moved to perl-devel)
>Mar 08 15:12:42 <rnorwood>	skvidal: nope - 
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>Mar 08 15:13:37 <pjones>	rnorwood: does it not have an obsoletes or a provides?
>Mar 08 15:13:38 <rnorwood>	skvidal: actually...
>Mar 08 15:13:44 <skvidal>	?
>Mar 08 15:13:48 <rnorwood>	[root@solitude RPMS]# repoquery --whatprovides 'perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)'
>Mar 08 15:13:48 <rnorwood>	perl-4:5.8.8-10.i386
>Mar 08 15:13:48 <rnorwood>	perl-devel-4:5.8.8-14.fc7.1.i686
>Mar 08 15:14:13 <rnorwood>	I guess because I built perl-5.8.8-14 locally
>Mar 08 15:14:22 <skvidal>	and it built i686?
>Mar 08 15:14:30 <skvidal>	could you make this any more complicated? :)
>Mar 08 15:14:33 <rnorwood>	Yeah, not sure why...
>Mar 08 15:14:38 <skvidal>	maybe make it multiarch, please? :)
>Mar 08 15:14:41 <rnorwood>	skvidal: Oh, I bet I could. ;-)
>Mar 08 15:15:19 <skvidal>	rnorwood: thanks you're a prince
>Mar 08 15:15:30 <jbowes>	this is just another indicator that perl sucks.
>Mar 08 15:16:14 <rnorwood>	pjones: perl-devel now provides perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) - I tried doing a build where perl-devel Obsoletes: perl < $currentversion, but that didn't seem to help
>Mar 08 15:16:29 <pjones>	yeah, that's kindof ew.
>Mar 08 15:16:45 <rnorwood>	jbowes: don't make me check to see if smartpm resolves the deps properly. ;-)
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>Mar 08 15:16:46 <pjones>	was thinking it came from it's own package, rather than moved around between subpackages.
>Mar 08 15:17:08 <rnorwood>	pjones: yeah, basically that module moved from perl to perl-devel, which seems to be the confusion.
>Mar 08 15:17:08 <pjones>	rnorwood: I assume perl-devel requires perl = %{version}-%{release} ?
>Mar 08 15:17:14 <rnorwood>	pjones: yes.
>Mar 08 15:17:35 <pjones>	so, er, rebuild the .14 with --target=i386 ;)
>Mar 08 15:17:48 <skvidal>	rnorwood: okay, so right now you're trying to get perl-devel installed by calling yum install 'perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)', right?
>Mar 08 15:18:01 <rnorwood>	skvidal: Yes, that's the goal.
>Mar 08 15:18:08 <rnorwood>	pjones: yeah, working on that.
>Mar 08 15:18:14 <skvidal>	okay
>Mar 08 15:18:17 <skvidal>	can you open a bug with
>Mar 08 15:18:22 <pjones>	shouldn't that also be 'yum update' ?
>Mar 08 15:18:27 <skvidal>	yum -d7 install ....
>Mar 08 15:18:27 <pjones>	since, you know, perl is already installed
>Mar 08 15:18:40 <skvidal>	pjones: shouldn't matter for this
>Mar 08 15:18:47 <pjones>	(not that I've ever been clear on why there's a distinction)
>Mar 08 15:20:27 <rnorwood>	skvidal: sure thing.  do you want me to finish rebuilding/reproducing with the i386 version first?  Just to make sure that isn't an issue.

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