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>   1. Re: The changing Fedora (Greg Woods)
>   2. Re: Nautilus sidepane tree view (Mike Wright)
>   3. Re: The changing Fedora (Kevin Fenzi)
>   4. Re: Nautilus sidepane tree view (ergodic)
>   5. Re: The changing Fedora (Bill Oliver)
>   6. Re: The changing Fedora (Fernando Cassia)
>   7. Re: scan a document into a pdf (Bill Davidsen)
>   8. Re: The changing Fedora (Fernando Cassia)
>   9. f18: nautilus: how to re-enable tree view in "view item as a
>      list"	and some other function. (Dario Lesca)
>  10. Re: Text rendering wacko in f18? (Tom Horsley)
>  11. Re: recommendations for SSD drive as first disk for fedora
>      18? (Phil Meyer)
>  12. Re: The changing Fedora (Matthew Miller)
>  13. Re: fedora 16, ext4 corruption (Bill Davidsen)
>  14. Re: scan a document into a pdf (Tethys)
>  15. Re: recommendations for SSD drive as first disk for fedora
>      18? (Bill Davidsen)
>  16. Re: scan a document into a pdf (Bill Davidsen)
>  17. Re: recommendations for SSD drive as first disk for fedora
>      18? (Sergio Augusto Vladisauskis)
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>From: Greg Woods <woods@ucar.edu>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:45:04 -0700
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>On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 15:29 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:02 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
>>  The game CD has some stuff written
>> > beyond the "end" of the disc.
>
>> I would have thought that correct emulation would allow those same
>> low-level calls in a VM. AFAIK the guest system can read the whole CD as
>> a raw device (assuming appropriate privileges).
>
>The trick is in defining "correct" emulation and "the whole CD". If the
>entire ISO image can be read, isn't that the whole CD? Well it is,
>unless you come across this kind of trickery. So it's not hard to
>imagine that a hypervisor emulator might not implement the ability to
>read blocks that are technically beyond the end of the disc.
>
>> One reason for some games not working is that they require a better
>> graphics card than the one emulated by the VM.
>
>True, however in at least one case I get complaints like "please use the
>ORIGINAL CD" when trying to load the game in a VM, even when I *did*
>have the original CD. There is obviously some kind of copy protection
>going on that doesn't work properly from within a VM.
>
>--Greg
>
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>From: Mike Wright <mike.wright@mailinator.com>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:49:40 -0800
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>01/21/2013 03:24 PM, ergodic wrote:
>> Any possibility to have the some of the previous schema restored to
>> nautilus-3.6.3-4.fc18.x86_64?
>>
>> For instance the missing sidebar tree view hinders Nautilus functionality.
>>
>
>Have you tried function key <f9>?  That used to toggle the sidebar on/off.
>
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>From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:51:41 -0700
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>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:35:20 +0000
>Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:=20
>> > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava <csava@central.ucv.ro> wrote:
>> > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no
>> > > longer be installed to a partition."
>> > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide=
>/s1-grub-installing.html
>>=20
>> > *anaconda* won't install GRUB2 to a partition.  You can still
>> > accomplish it with `grub2-install --force`.
>>=20
>> > -T.C.
>>=20
>> But is there some danger associated with doing this as part of an
>> upgrade?  If not, why was the option removed from Anaconda?
>
>Yes, there is a danger.=20
>See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D872826#c19
>
>"The problem is ext4's boot sector is only 512 bytes, which is not
>enough space. The use of --force fragments GRUB, and installs the
>pieces into free space without informing the file system. At any future
>time the file system can step on any one of those block lists and
>render the system unbootable."
>
>kevin
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>From: ergodic <gmml@embarqmail.com>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:02:30 -0500
>Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
>Message-ID: <65482542.1396265.1358874150453.JavaMail.root@md09.embarq.synacor.com>
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>Subject: Re: Nautilus sidepane tree view
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>Thanks Mike!
>
>The function key <f9> still works. But as before, it just toggles the sidebar on/off.
>
>My objective is to change the sidebar view mode to "tree view" from the current "places view".
>
>Best regards,
>
>Ergodic
>
>----- Original Message -----
>01/21/2013 03:24 PM, ergodic wrote:
>> Any possibility to have the some of the previous schema restored to
>> nautilus-3.6.3-4.fc18.x86_64?
>>
>> For instance the missing sidebar tree view hinders Nautilus functionality.
>>
>
>Have you tried function key <f9>?  That used to toggle the sidebar on/off.
>
>
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>From: Bill Oliver <vendor@billoblog.com>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:07:13 +0000
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>I've basically given up trying to view multiple OSs on one medium-sized screen.  My basic setup when not on the road is to have two screens and run the other OS in the second screen.  Unfortunately, I use a couple of programs that are built for Ubuntu, and I can't get the dependencies to work to compile them in Fedora; in addition, I do a lot of teaching and while I make most of my presentations in libreoffice, I almost always have to review them in PowerPoint to make sure the format change worked right.
>
>So, I normally work with a second OS up that's either Mint/Ubuntu or Windows.  But I'd go blind if I tried to do that with just one screen.
>
>
>billo
>
>On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>> one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization
>>> for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly
>>> zero and in many cases virtual machines are faster than physical
>>> setups
>>
>> Which is OK on desktops with large (> 23" diagonal) monitors.
>> But on a laptop (16:9 15" diagonal screen or smaller) you need a
>> magnifying glass to work with the virtual screens.
>> Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in
>> the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS.
>>
>> AV
>>
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>From: Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:12:37 -0300
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>On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Alexander Volovics
><a.volovic@upcmail.nl> wrote:
>> Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in
>> the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS.
>
>Are you implying that Virtualbox doesnÂ´t have a full screen mode?
>Because, believe me, I have used it on Windows hosts to run Linux full
>screen.
>
>FC
>
>
>
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>From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
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>References: <4820d45b90f05bb3d641dc8ba7f0cd0a@localhost>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:13:52 -0500
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>JOYCE POLZIN wrote:
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> On 21.01.2013 19:05, JOYCE POLZIN wrote:
>>  > Is there an application other than gscan2pdf (which doesn't work)
>>
>> have a look at xsane, works for me.
>> -Jens
>>
>> So how do you get the Portable Document Format (PDF) files readable in windoze?
>> Other linux machines don;t have an issue reading them but the minute I send one
>> to a windows user or file share both FoxIt and Adobe report that the file either
>> is not a pdf or is damaged.
>>
>I'm suspicious that there is an issue in xsane, since pdf I create with other 
>tools work really well for both Windows and Mac. What does pdfinfo say about the 
>file, anything useful? I swear I had a command called pdftopdf which was useful 
>for bad stuff others sent me, but I can't find it, it is/was part of cups.
>
>I use other software to write pdf, so I can't give you any more info that that.
>
>-- 
>Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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>On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
>> one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization
>> for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly
>> zero and in many cases virtual machines are faster than physical
>> setups
>
>That is only partially accurate on CPUs that feature hardware
>virtualization support (AMD-V or Intel VT-x). The other day just for
>kicks I tried installing the latest Ubuntu virtualized on a Atom based
>Netbook running XP SP3, and it took about two hours just to install...
>performance could be described as "slow as molasses". ;). But yes, I
>guess that if you use a Quad-core with AMD-V or VT-x and 8 gigs of
>ram, things would be almost seamless.
>
>Which reminds me of something.... I noticed that the latest Ubuntu
>features an optional kernel ("Linux-virt" package) that is supposedly
>optimized for running Linux virtualized.... is there such a package in
>Fedora? (never looked, just thinking aloud :).
>
>TIA
>FC
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>From: Dario Lesca <d.lesca@solinos.it>
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>Subject: f18: nautilus: how to re-enable tree view in "view item as a list"
> and some other function.
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>Nautilus 3.6.x ...
>
>The [+] to the left of the folders in "view item as a list" mode is
>gone....
>
>The total disk free space in bottom status bar, when click on blank
>zone, is gone....
>
>The function menu is gone (to top left, yes, but not when the focus is
>on the other windows)...
>
>The button "up to the previous folder" (cd ..) is gone...
>
>How to re-enable this useful function/feature, like previous version
>(nautilus 3.4) or Caja do ?
>
>For now, I have disable the use of nautilus and install
>caja-file-manager-*, but this is only a work around...
>
>Many thanks.
>
>-- 
>Dario Lesca - sip:dario@solinos.it
>(Inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 17 Gnome3)
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>> It gets weirder. I have near identical f18 installs on
>> my system at home and at work, and it only happens on my
>> home system.
>
>I take that back. Once I swapped back in my old home directory
>at work, the truncation started again. So obviously
>all I need to do is binary search all the funky
>settings stashed in various ~/.whatever directories
>to find which one is causing it :-).
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>From: Phil Meyer <pmeyer@themeyerfarm.com>
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>Subject: Re: recommendations for SSD drive as first disk for fedora 18?
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>On 01/22/2013 06:08 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>    after a while living with ubuntu, i'm moving back to fedora as of
>> F18, and would like some advice.  i have an ASUS G74S with twin 750G
>> drives, but i want to replace the boot drive with an SSD, and install
>> F18 in such a way as to maximize the benefit of the SSD for booting
>> and (mostly) R/O storage.
>>
>>    a lot of my time will be spent doing lengthy compiles (kernel,
>> openembedded), so in addition to system content on the SSD, i'll want
>> to keep all of my source there as well, while the build directories
>> will be on the regular drive.
>>
>>    is there a recommendation for installing F18 in terms of separating
>> what's appropriate for the SSD versus what isn't?  most of that is
>> fairly obvious, just wondering if anyone wrote up something about
>> their experience doing just that and how well it worked for them.
>> thanks.
>>
>> rday
>>
>
>I have has an OCZ-VERTEX3 as my primary drive for about a year now, and 
>it has been awesome.
>
>What was most impressive was installing some various virtual machines 
>for work testing.
>
>The first time I saw my new Fedora 17 VM boot in less than 3 seconds, I 
>knew I had a winner. :)  And when it was shut down, it literally 
>'blinked' off.  It was amazing.
>
>I highly recommend a SSD for Linux.  The mount command is generally 
>smart enough to select what needs to be done.
>
>/etc/fstab says:
>
>UUID=32ce7d57-5c81-4e4f-9bbb-91e5cde5db3b / ext4    defaults        1 1
>
>but it actually mounts with:
>
>(rw,relatime,data=ordered)
>
>Go for it!
>
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>On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:18:00PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> Which reminds me of something.... I noticed that the latest Ubuntu
>> features an optional kernel ("Linux-virt" package) that is supposedly
>> optimized for running Linux virtualized.... is there such a package in
>> Fedora? (never looked, just thinking aloud :).
>
>It's not optimized in a performance sense. It just doesn't include drivers
>for hardware support which isn't likely in a virt environment, making it
>smaller.
>
>
>
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>Ian Malone wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is anyone else seeing problems with F16 ext4? I recently moved my
>> install onto a new harddisc (which is reporting SMART is fine after
>> running a full test) and did that by making a new ext4 fs (previously
>> ext3) then rsyncing across. I'm now seeing occasional system 'freezes'
>> (not hard freezes, but programs can fail to start or freeze. Yesterday
>> the desktop completely stopped, but I was able to switch to a virtual
>> console). dmesg reports errors to do with failing to write the journal
>> and remounting read-only. On reboot an fsck is required, which finds
>> some fixable problems. Obviously I'm wondering if it's the OS or the
>> new disc. Was planning an F18 install soon which might help with one
>> problem but not the other.
>> Don't know if it's the 'ext4 data corruption bug' or if that's been
>> fixed. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNDQ
>>
>I have multiple TB running on fc16+ext4, and have not seen any problems of any 
>kind with the filesystem. I do occasionally see a hang, this happens with rsync 
>if you copy something large to a machine with significant memory, at the end 
>rsync does a sync() I believe (if it was doing fsync() I think the pain would be 
>spread) and the system is emptying the i/o buffers to disk. A typical single 
>disk will write at 50-100MB/s and if you have 4GB or more of backed up data, it 
>will get slow. There are disk tuning tips you can use to spread the pain, but it 
>makes the copy of small files run slower in many cases.
>
>If you have a lot of small files, your journal may be full of incomplete 
>transactions. The solution is to make the journal larger, I don't know if 
>modifying the journal after the fact will change that, or even if it's the 
>problem. I have played with putting journal on a faster device, 10k rpm drive, 
>SSD, or memory (yes, just for testing, I know it's unsafe). Faster journal makes 
>things faster with many small files.
>
>Lots of thoughts for you to check against your particular problems.
>
>-- 
>Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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>On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM, JOYCE POLZIN <foxec208@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there an application other than gscan2pdf (which doesn't work)
>
>You don't need a standalone application. This should suffice:
>
>	scanimage | pnmtops | ps2pdf - output.pdf
>
>Obviously, each of those commands can take various flags to control
>resolution etc. Check the man pages for details.
>
>Tet
>
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>Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>
>>    after a while living with ubuntu, i'm moving back to fedora as of
>> F18, and would like some advice.  i have an ASUS G74S with twin 750G
>> drives, but i want to replace the boot drive with an SSD, and install
>> F18 in such a way as to maximize the benefit of the SSD for booting
>> and (mostly) R/O storage.
>>
>>    a lot of my time will be spent doing lengthy compiles (kernel,
>> openembedded), so in addition to system content on the SSD, i'll want
>> to keep all of my source there as well, while the build directories
>> will be on the regular drive.
>>
>>    is there a recommendation for installing F18 in terms of separating
>> what's appropriate for the SSD versus what isn't?  most of that is
>> fairly obvious, just wondering if anyone wrote up something about
>> their experience doing just that and how well it worked for them.
>> thanks.
>>
>First, read the multiple threads regarding the fc18 installer. Go look at the 
>links in the messages. After you have a handle on the new installer, go for it.
>
>If you are doing builds, you presumably do multi-threaded make operation, so the 
>source files on SSD will buy you little. If you have room, fine, but putting the 
>object files, temp space, swap[1] space, any libraries you use, on SSD will buy 
>you more. I put a small swap on SSD high priority so it gets used first. Swap 
>usage is pretty light if you have memory suited to your task, so it need not be 
>huge. If you intend to hibernate leave room for the compressed RAM image there, 
>it makes boot a lot faster.
>
>Definitely put root on SSD, that's a gain. I've played with putting the journal 
>of filesystem on SSD for my disk based filesystems. Too early to say how well I 
>like it or how good it is. I did do crash testing to be sure it work, reading a 
>journal from SSD is *fast*.
>
>One issue with the new installer is that it's difficult to pre-create the 
>filesystems and then use them, playing with filesystem directory hash, stripe 
>and stride extended options to change write behavior, all hard with the new 
>install. Frankly, unless you are doing guru level tuning, don't worry about it.
>
>Enjoy your SSD!
>
>-- 
>Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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>Tethys wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM, JOYCE POLZIN <foxec208@wowway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there an application other than gscan2pdf (which doesn't work)
>>
>> You don't need a standalone application. This should suffice:
>>
>> 	scanimage | pnmtops | ps2pdf - output.pdf
>>
>> Obviously, each of those commands can take various flags to control
>> resolution etc. Check the man pages for details.
>>
>For multiple pages, it gets more complicated, I like to create a tiff of each 
>page, combine them into a multi-page tiff with tiffmerge, then run tifftopdf to 
>produce final output. I have friends who import them into office and write pdf 
>from that.
>
>Haven't found anything I like for OCR, unfortunately, so things can be edited 
>properly.
>
>-- 
>Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
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>Look this topic:
>http://thessdreview.com/Forums/linux/225-post2940.htm#post2940
>I using Fedora 17 with this options.
>
>PS: my logs put in other HD.
>
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>
>2013/1/22 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>
>> Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>    after a while living with ubuntu, i'm moving back to fedora as of
>>> F18, and would like some advice.  i have an ASUS G74S with twin 750G
>>> drives, but i want to replace the boot drive with an SSD, and install
>>> F18 in such a way as to maximize the benefit of the SSD for booting
>>> and (mostly) R/O storage.
>>>
>>>    a lot of my time will be spent doing lengthy compiles (kernel,
>>> openembedded), so in addition to system content on the SSD, i'll want
>>> to keep all of my source there as well, while the build directories
>>> will be on the regular drive.
>>>
>>>    is there a recommendation for installing F18 in terms of separating
>>> what's appropriate for the SSD versus what isn't?  most of that is
>>> fairly obvious, just wondering if anyone wrote up something about
>>> their experience doing just that and how well it worked for them.
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>>  First, read the multiple threads regarding the fc18 installer. Go look
>> at the links in the messages. After you have a handle on the new installer,
>> go for it.
>>
>> If you are doing builds, you presumably do multi-threaded make operation,
>> so the source files on SSD will buy you little. If you have room, fine, but
>> putting the object files, temp space, swap[1] space, any libraries you use,
>> on SSD will buy you more. I put a small swap on SSD high priority so it
>> gets used first. Swap usage is pretty light if you have memory suited to
>> your task, so it need not be huge. If you intend to hibernate leave room
>> for the compressed RAM image there, it makes boot a lot faster.
>>
>> Definitely put root on SSD, that's a gain. I've played with putting the
>> journal of filesystem on SSD for my disk based filesystems. Too early to
>> say how well I like it or how good it is. I did do crash testing to be sure
>> it work, reading a journal from SSD is *fast*.
>>
>> One issue with the new installer is that it's difficult to pre-create the
>> filesystems and then use them, playing with filesystem directory hash,
>> stripe and stride extended options to change write behavior, all hard with
>> the new install. Frankly, unless you are doing guru level tuning, don't
>> worry about it.
>>
>> Enjoy your SSD!
>>
>> --
>> Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
>>   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
>> the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot
>>
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><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr">Look this topic:&nbsp;<a href="http://thessdreview.com/Forums/linux/225-post2940.htm#post2940">http://thessdreview.com/Forums/linux/225-post2940.htm#post2940</a><div style="">I using Fedora 17 with this options.</div>
>
><div style=""><br></div><div style="">PS: my logs put in other HD.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">--<br>Sergio Augusto Vladisauskis<br>-&gt; Oportunix IT Services Brasil - ME<br>-&gt; Site: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/oportunix" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/oportunix</a><br>
>
>-&gt; Fone: &#43;55 (11) 4221-8163<br>-&gt; MÃ³vel: &#43;55 (11) 9-5308-7965 [Vivo]<br>-&gt; Skype: oportunix<br>-&gt; Registered Linux User: 305281</div></div>
><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/22 Bill Davidsen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidsen@tmr.com" target="_blank">davidsen@tmr.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
>
><div class="im">Robert P. J. Day wrote:<br>
></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
><br>
>&nbsp; &nbsp;after a while living with ubuntu, i'm moving back to fedora as of<br>
>F18, and would like some advice. &nbsp;i have an ASUS G74S with twin 750G<br>
>drives, but i want to replace the boot drive with an SSD, and install<br>
>F18 in such a way as to maximize the benefit of the SSD for booting<br>
>and (mostly) R/O storage.<br>
><br>
>&nbsp; &nbsp;a lot of my time will be spent doing lengthy compiles (kernel,<br>
>openembedded), so in addition to system content on the SSD, i'll want<br>
>to keep all of my source there as well, while the build directories<br>
>will be on the regular drive.<br>
><br>
>&nbsp; &nbsp;is there a recommendation for installing F18 in terms of separating<br>
>what's appropriate for the SSD versus what isn't? &nbsp;most of that is<br>
>fairly obvious, just wondering if anyone wrote up something about<br>
>their experience doing just that and how well it worked for them.<br>
>thanks.<br>
><br>
></blockquote></div>
>First, read the multiple threads regarding the fc18 installer. Go look at the links in the messages. After you have a handle on the new installer, go for it.<br>
><br>
>If you are doing builds, you presumably do multi-threaded make operation, so the source files on SSD will buy you little. If you have room, fine, but putting the object files, temp space, swap[1] space, any libraries you use, on SSD will buy you more. I put a small swap on SSD high priority so it gets used first. Swap usage is pretty light if you have memory suited to your task, so it need not be huge. If you intend to hibernate leave room for the compressed RAM image there, it makes boot a lot faster.<br>
>
>
><br>
>Definitely put root on SSD, that's a gain. I've played with putting the journal of filesystem on SSD for my disk based filesystems. Too early to say how well I like it or how good it is. I did do crash testing to be sure it work, reading a journal from SSD is *fast*.<br>
>
>
><br>
>One issue with the new installer is that it's difficult to pre-create the filesystems and then use them, playing with filesystem directory hash, stripe and stride extended options to change write behavior, all hard with the new install. Frankly, unless you are doing guru level tuning, don't worry about it.<br>
>
>
><br>
>Enjoy your SSD!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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>-- <br>
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>&nbsp; &quot;We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from<br>
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