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>Subject: Re: [wfk] Shrinkwrap resolver
>From: Pete Muir <pmuir@redhat.com>
>In-Reply-To: <8A834AA6-865E-43B0-A351-32CB2105D033@redhat.com>
>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:06:38 +0000
>Cc: Mustafa Musaji <mmusaji@redhat.com>, Sande Gilda <sgilda@redhat.com>,
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>To: Burr Sutter <bsutter@redhat.com>
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>Sande, will you do this or should I?
>
>On 19 Feb 2013, at 15:30, Burr Sutter <bsutter@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Release notes at a minimum - Sande, Pete - can one of you create the =
>BZ listing the impacted quickstarts by name and appropriate text as to =
>the value of the resolver and why it is tech preview for now?
>>=20
>> We could put that text in every impacted readme.md (each quickstart) =
>but that becomes a maintenance burden.  At least in the release notes it =
>gives GSS something to point to if the customer asks a question about =
>the technology.
>>=20
>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Mustafa Musaji wrote:
>>=20
>>> Thanks for the solution Burr. This seems the best way forward given =
>the circumstances.
>>>=20
>>> Where would this be labelled as a tech preview? Release Notes?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>> Mus
>>>=20
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Burr Sutter" <bsutter@redhat.com>
>>>> To: "Pete Muir" <pmuir@redhat.com>
>>>> Cc: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda@redhat.com>, "wfk-pm-list" =
><wfk-pm-list@redhat.com>, "Andrew Lee Rubinger"
>>>> <arubinge@redhat.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 February, 2013 1:35:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [wfk] Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On 19 Feb 2013, at 12:40, Burr Sutter <bsutter@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Karel Piwko wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> It can go Final when we have documentation and guides. There are
>>>>>>> two factors blocking us:
>>>>>>> 1/ I don't have any spare resources at this moment to write those
>>>>>>> 2/ Arquillian guides are migrated to Asciidoc right now, which
>>>>>>> even complicates 1/
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> That said, I don't think we can release Final in such time to be
>>>>>>> able to make it TP for WFK 2.2 unless somebody else will write
>>>>>>> the guides/docs.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Feb 18, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Mustafa Musaji <mmusaji@redhat.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Even if it's marked as Final I'd prefer it if we can mark this
>>>>>>>> as a private component in some way. =46rom what Karel says, it's
>>>>>>>> only used to run tests we ship, so we would say it's not part
>>>>>>>> of the tests themselves but only used to build the test.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Sorry, I did not use correct wording here. It as used to build
>>>>>>> test archives, and as such, it is a part of Java code for every
>>>>>>> test class.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Do we want to support this or is it just because we are shipping
>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I think the problem is that we do not support it, but we ship it
>>>>>>> in the test code and pom.xml of every DeltaSpike example.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Only the Deltaspike quickstarts?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Or all EAP & WFK quickstarts?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Anything that needs to bundle a lib in it's war/ear, and wants to
>>>>> use arquillian tests to test functionality in that lib.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This has mostly come up for DS quickstarts, but it's used for a few
>>>>> EAP quickstarts as well.
>>>>=20
>>>> OK - so we need to get this Shrinkwrap resolver to Final instantly.
>>>> :-)
>>>>=20
>>>> The community can make it final, without docs.
>>>> The product can label it as Tech Preview, without docs.
>>>> We can close the loop on this hole in time for WFK 2.2 and EAP
>>>> 6.1.Alpha?
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Mus
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>> Mustafa Musaji
>>>>>>>> Software Maintenance Engineer
>>>>>>>> Red Hat UK Ltd
>>>>>>>> 200 Fowler Avenue, Farnborough Business Park, Farnborough, Hants
>>>>>>>> GU14 7JP
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>> Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland),
>>>>>>>> Matt Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Mustafa Musaji" <mmusaji@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda@redhat.com>, "Andrew Lee Rubinger"
>>>>>>>>> <arubinge@redhat.com>, "wfk-pm-list"
>>>>>>>>> <wfk-pm-list@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 18 February, 2013 4:39:04 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wfk] Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Err, Final
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2013, at 16:38, Pete Muir <pmuir@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew, Karel, when can this get to FINAL?
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> This is developer tooling, so it would be fine to include as
>>>>>>>>>> Tech
>>>>>>>>>> Preview if that makes the support load easier.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Feb 2013, at 09:11, Mustafa Musaji <mmusaji@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Is ShrinkWrap Resolver out as a FINAL yet or is it still
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta?
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I ask this is because if it's a BETA, we can't
>>>>>>>>>>> claim to
>>>>>>>>>>> support it. We need the documentation and guides to be ready
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> supporting something means it's part of a paid subscription
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> customer expect this.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Mus
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Mustafa Musaji
>>>>>>>>>>> Software Maintenance Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hat UK Ltd
>>>>>>>>>>> 200 Fowler Avenue, Farnborough Business Park, Farnborough,
>>>>>>>>>>> Hants
>>>>>>>>>>> GU14 7JP
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>>> Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland),
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>> Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA)
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mustafa Musaji" <mmusaji@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Andrew Lee Rubinger" <arubinge@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda@redhat.com>, "wfk-pm-list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <wfk-pm-list@redhat.com>, "Karel Piwko" <kpiwko@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 18 February, 2013 9:06:19 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wfk] Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm late to the party...
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Is ShrinkWrap Resolver out as a FINAL yet or is it still
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta?
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) If it's used to only build our examples/quickstarts and
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>> them (correct?) can we mark it as "internal/private" in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> docs
>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. unsupported)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can discuss this in more detail on the PM call this
>>>>>>>>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mus
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mustafa Musaji
>>>>>>>>>>>> Software Maintenance Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hat UK Ltd
>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 Fowler Avenue, Farnborough Business Park, Farnborough,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hants
>>>>>>>>>>>> GU14
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7JP
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>>>> Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Brendan Lane (Ireland),
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>> Parson (USA), Charlie Peters (USA)
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Andrew Lee Rubinger" <arubinge@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Karel Piwko" <kpiwko@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Sande Gilda" <sgilda@redhat.com>, "wfk-pm-list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wfk-pm-list@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2013 4:03:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [wfk] Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear from a tech/support perspective, SWR is now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0-beta-2,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> API locked and thus supportable.  Documentation and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only thing left before progressing this to CR and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Final.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> S,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Karel Piwko" <kpiwko@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Pete Muir" <pmuir@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Marek Schmidt" <maschmid@redhat.com>, "Andrew Lee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubinger"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <arubinge@redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda@redhat.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rafael
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benevides" <benevides@redhat.com>, "wfk-pm-list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wfk-pm-list@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:27:04 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:45:20 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2013, at 14:23, Marek Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (adding wfk-pm-list to CC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have a fat enough warning sign for this kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given that we are trying to push for "support defined by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples" I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest we be very careful about letting unsupported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slip into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the examples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We generally are. Unfortunately, shrinkwrap resolver is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically impossible to not use :-( I'm not aware of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have quite strict restrictions on how we deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preview
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features (e.g. the need to have them in a separate file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> portal, etc.) and marking something as "not supported"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that should be even more strict...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I admit that I am not quite sure how exactly the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "example-based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applies to the quickstarts' test suites, but since we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arquillian, I'd expect that a customer would expect the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arquillian/shrinkwrap features present in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supported as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposals welcome. It's definitely something we need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need opinion from GSS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marek S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/14/2013 03:09 PM, Karel Piwko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resurrecting the thread. There is already 2.0.0-beta-2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it in (JDF/DeltaSpike) quickstarts and put a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warning we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not support that in WFK, because we have no other tool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will need to upgrade quickstarts and boms to use this,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version 1. Can you file a JDF issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-205
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would add support in next WFK 2.3 release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This would help *a lot*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it sound?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:03:03 -0500 (EST)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Lee Rubinger <arubinge@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Path to product for ShrinkWrap Resolvers should be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available wave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after we go to Beta shortly.  Our alpha cycle is long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the API,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the implementation has been fairly stable and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well-tested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throughout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SWR 2.0.0-alpha-7 out today, and Karel and I will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Beta and API lock over the next few weeks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pete Muir" <pmuir@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Karel Piwko" <kpiwko@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Marek Schmidt" <maschmid@redhat.com>, "Andy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubinger"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <arubinge@redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda@redhat.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rafael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benevides" <benevides@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 15,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11:45:48 AM Subject: Re: Shrinkwrap resolver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got it. We have been using this a bit in JDF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no other way to sanely do what the resolver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to replace it in the quickstarts...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 Jan 2013, at 07:10, Karel Piwko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Pete,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ShrinkWrap resolver is currently not a part of any WFK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certification. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally recommend customers to use 2.0.0-X stream
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to experiment with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are very close to have a beta release in January
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiming getting code and documentation ready to a be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WFK 2.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:44:24 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete Muir <pmuir@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Karel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marek said you are the man for this. Should we be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommending
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customers to use this? Is it part of Arquillian in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WFK? If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marek Schmidt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seam/Weld QE Lead
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