Bug 1009381

Summary: Please slow down the frequency of updates
Product: [Fedora] Fedora Reporter: hannes <johannes.lips>
Component: youtube-dlAssignee: Christopher Meng <i>
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Description hannes 2013-09-18 10:22:06 UTC
Description of problem:
I don't think updating this package every second or third day is really needed. Are you able to say if it won't work if you update it, let's say, once a month?
Updates twice a week for a stable release of fedora are really a bit too often for my taste and I doubt this would comply with the update policy of fedora.

Johannes

Comment 1 Till Maas 2013-09-18 10:33:42 UTC
The updates are usually covered by the Updates Policy:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Interoperability

youtube-dl contains support for a lot of sites and upstream releases usually contain fixes for at least one site. Therefore it makes sense to follow upstream releases.

Comment 2 Christopher Meng 2013-09-18 11:02:51 UTC
Do you want to know my opinion? 

In fact I want to retire it, as people can use youtube-dl -U to update it by himself. Fedora update may override updates just ran by users. But there still have many users don't want to use U option, they are waiting for update pushed by package maintainer. 

I try to catch up with upstream, the fact is that even Debian is faster than us. 

You should ask upstream to see if they can slow down. 

I'm sorry I have to focus all users.

Comment 3 Michael Schwendt 2013-09-18 11:30:10 UTC
What's missing here is a better workflow and a couple of dedicated testers to help inside the Fedora Updates System.

You would need to cherry-pick upstream releases and decide which release shall become a test-update at Fedora, ignoring subsequent upstream releases meanwhile. 

Obviously, if upstream releases almost daily, you cannot sync with that very well, if your test-update needs to wait at most 7 days before it would reach the stable repo.

Looking at

  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/youtube-dl

there are mass-updates for F20/F19/F18 and several obsolete ones, because you have replaced an already active test-update with a newer upstream release. Once been marked stable, you cannot release another one in less than 7 days, unless there is a tester that helps with regard to the karma threshold.

Comment 4 Christopher Meng 2013-09-18 13:27:08 UTC
(In reply to Michael Schwendt from comment #3)
> What's missing here is a better workflow and a couple of dedicated testers
> to help inside the Fedora Updates System.

Agree.

> Looking at
> 
>   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/youtube-dl
> 
> there are mass-updates for F20/F19/F18 and several obsolete ones, because
> you have replaced an already active test-update with a newer upstream
> release. Once been marked stable, you cannot release another one in less
> than 7 days, unless there is a tester that helps with regard to the karma
> threshold.

Fortunately, youtube-dl always has testers in Bodhi...

Comment 5 hannes 2013-09-18 14:04:17 UTC
Still, I don't see a good reason to update on every upstream release.

Comment 6 Christopher Meng 2013-09-18 14:38:44 UTC
(In reply to hannes from comment #5)
> Still, I don't see a good reason to update on every upstream release.

And I don't see a good reason to update once a month.

Comment 7 hannes 2013-09-18 14:55:02 UTC
Well there is:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases

Comment 8 Till Maas 2013-09-18 14:59:15 UTC
(In reply to hannes from comment #7)
> Well there is:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases

so please read comment 1

Comment 9 hannes 2013-09-18 15:52:18 UTC
I couldn't find a good changelog upstream, with detailed changes. But if that's all ok and covered by the update policy, then just go ahead. I was just puzzled by the frequent updates and wanted to know the exact reason for it.

Comment 10 Till Maas 2013-09-18 19:50:42 UTC
(In reply to hannes from comment #9)
> I couldn't find a good changelog upstream, with detailed changes. But if

There is the commit history:
https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/commits/master

A problem with youtube-dl is, that it targets more websites than only youtube and therefore changes are required every now and then to keep it working with all supported sites. There are also a lot of unnecessary changes but it does not seem feasible to backport only the required ones.