Bug 1044541

Summary:	Consider making SELinux a REQUIREMENT, not recommendation.
Product:	[Retired] Fedora Documentation	Reporter:	Mike Lieman <mikelieman>
Component:	install-guide	Assignee:	Pete Travis <me>
Status:	CLOSED EOL	QA Contact:	Fedora Docs QA <docs-qa>
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Version:	devel	CC:	botsch, chupaka, jnicol, juhani.jaakola, me, pbokoc, relnotes, wb8rcr, zach
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Description Mike Lieman 2013-12-18 14:14:14 UTC

Description of problem:

While trying to upgrade, I ran into an apparent conflict between fedup and SELinux, which is disabled on this particular instance.  Without finding it as a requirement, I reached out to the IRC channel #Fedora for assistance.

Their response to my apparently supported use-case was vigorous, and let's just leave it at 'off-putting'.  

The take-away is that SELinux IS A DE-FACTO REQUIREMENT going forward, and the documentation should to corrected to reflect this REQUIREMENT.


Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

F20

How reproducible:

Unknown

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Disable SELinux
2. Reach out to #Fedora on IRC for support 


Actual results:

Offensive, Insulting Derision

Expected results:

Confirmation that yes, it is a de-facto requirement, and yes, the documentation should be updated to reflect it.

Additional info:

Comment 1 Pete Travis 2013-12-19 22:01:00 UTC

We will track the associated bug and take this into consideration when updating fedup documentation, thanks for the report.  Upgrade documentation has the greatest presence in the Installation Guide, so I'm reassigning your bug to it and will do the work there. 

Feedback on IRC support volunteers should be directed to https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ ; updated documentation can't fix anyone's behavior or increase their willingness to support use cases they don't endorse.

Comment 2 Jonathan Nicol 2014-01-06 23:50:36 UTC

If SELinux is required, I will be finding a different distro.

Comment 3 Pete Travis 2014-01-07 07:34:52 UTC

*** Bug 1008742 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 4 Juhani Jaakola 2014-01-18 12:51:36 UTC

SELinux has caused me a lot of problems in the past, so I have always disabled it. If SELinux is required in Fedora, I'll switch to a different distribution.

Comment 5 Petr Bokoc 2024-05-21 09:21:52 UTC

The install guide has been retired, therefore I'm closing this bug. 

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