Bug 1260061

Summary: fallbacks for TmsRmn and Helv
Product: [Fedora] Fedora Reporter: Caolan McNamara <caolanm>
Component: fontconfigAssignee: Akira TAGOH <tagoh>
Status: CLOSED EOL QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance <extras-qa>
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Description Caolan McNamara 2015-09-04 10:44:21 UTC
There are MSOffice documents that refer to "TmsRmn" and "Helv" fonts, and fontconfig doesn't suggest suitable replacements.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/82860

"TmsRmn and Helv ... We still have the exact same fonts, but now under the names MS Sans Serif and MS Serif"

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/68536

"Font Family     Bitstream    Canon    Adobe        HP
-----------     ---------    -----    -----        --

Swiss (Helv)    Swiss        Swiss    Helvetica    Universe
Roman (Tms Rmn) Dutch        Dutch    Times Roman  CG Times"

So "Helv" == "MS Serif" and both could be added as part of the Helvetica group of mappings I guess and "Tms Rmn" == "MS Sans Serif" and both are presumably then suitable for mapping to the "Nimbus Roman No9 L"/"Times New Roman" targets ?

Comment 1 Nicolas Mailhot 2015-09-04 12:31:48 UTC
I think you have it backwards :)

Anyway more than new aliases this group of fonts really need a modern implementation in Fedora (trying to use them on modern i18n text is an exercise in frustration, most non-us users will prefer broken aliasing to non-metric-compatible fonts rather than aliasing to implementations missing half the needed symbols). Someone probably needs to revisit packaging TEX Gyre if they finally fixed licensing warts.

Comment 2 Jan Kurik 2016-02-24 13:43:14 UTC
This bug appears to have been reported against 'rawhide' during the Fedora 24 development cycle.
Changing version to '24'.

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Comment 5 ompragash 2017-09-02 17:05:20 UTC
This bug could not be fixed.