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|Summary:||Include #fedora irc freenode channel in autostart by default|
|Product:||[Fedora] Fedora||Reporter:||Rahul Sundaram <sundaram>|
|Component:||xchat||Assignee:||Debarshi Ray <debarshir>|
|Status:||CLOSED WONTFIX||QA Contact:|
|Version:||rawhide||CC:||debarshir, mcepl, metherid, smohan, valent.turkovic|
|Fixed In Version:||Doc Type:||Enhancement|
|Doc Text:||Story Points:||---|
|Last Closed:||2017-02-23 12:16:27 EST||Type:||---|
|oVirt Team:||---||RHEL 7.3 requirements from Atomic Host:|
Description Rahul Sundaram 2006-02-02 03:35:50 EST
Actual results: No channels by default Expected results: should login into #fedora irc freenode channel Additional info: This would be useful for users who want help from other end users
Comment 1 Kevin Kofler 2008-01-25 06:45:47 EST
*** Bug 430217 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 2 Kevin Kofler 2008-01-25 06:48:01 EST
In bug 430217, Valent Turkovic suggested a separate .desktop file (probably on the desktop so new users can find it more easily) which joins #fedora. I marked it as a duplicate so the options can be discussed in a single bugzilla entry and not 2 separate one.
Comment 3 Kevin Kofler 2008-01-25 06:52:15 EST
If the .desktop file option is chosen, it would be a bad idea to hardcode XChat as the client to run, it isn't even installed on the KDE Live spin, for example (we'd want to run Konversation by default there). Something like xdg-open might work, also depending on bug 155075.
Comment 4 Valent Turkovic 2008-01-25 12:17:46 EST
I believe that this feature should be one-click-irc, without previous setting the username - the username should be generated automatically - something like "fedora 9 dvd user 2323", "fedora 11 live cd user 7344" or something shorter... but you get the general idea. There should be an option to customuze the username and have a personal username, but the first time a user clicks this should be one-click-help button on the desktop. It doesn't matter which client is used for irc, just that it is accessible to both kde and gnome and that it gets the job done.
Comment 5 Kevin Kofler 2008-01-25 12:20:54 EST
I don't think any of our IRC clients supports automatic random username generation.
Comment 6 Valent Turkovic 2008-01-25 12:35:19 EST
There could be a script that generates the username and feeds it to irc client.
Comment 7 Matěj Cepl 2008-01-28 14:04:50 EST
(In reply to comment #4) > I believe that this feature should be one-click-irc, without previous setting > the username - the username should be generated automatically - something like > "fedora 9 dvd user 2323", "fedora 11 live cd user 7344" or something shorter... > but you get the general idea. There should be an option to customuze the > username and have a personal username, but the first time a user clicks this > should be one-click-help button on the desktop. I don't think this is necessary -- single dialog "Enter your name and nick" (with nick defaulting to something generated from the name) should be easy enough. Having been on http://www.igniterealtime.org/support/group_chat.jsp it seems to me obvious how automatically generated names tend to lead to the conversation degradation. People behave sanely when using something at least slightly individual to them.
Comment 8 Valent Turkovic 2008-01-28 15:12:08 EST
You are right, anarchy from apparent anonymity is bad and should be avoided.
Comment 9 Valent Turkovic 2008-06-12 04:13:44 EDT
*** Bug 450996 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 10 Valent Turkovic 2008-06-12 04:15:28 EDT
Any chance this becomes a Fedora 10 feature?
Comment 11 Valent Turkovic 2008-06-12 04:15:52 EDT
Some of the ideas that come from mailing list discussion: Although this is a good idea I'm not sure how to achieve this technically: Yes, there is an IRC url scheme , but I'm not sure if all desktops are able to open IRC links. Other questions are: What application should be used to open this link and how to we make sure this application really is installed?  http://www.w3.org/Addressing/draft-mirashi-url-irc-01.txt +1 although should this need a specific support channel? I would prefer Jabber MUC, but otherwise +1. I'd like to see that in the live cd, which is useful for rescue purposes. As the fedora room/group/? requires nickserv registration, there would have to be an automated script to randomly generate a nick and register it, like with password "foo". for a live cd, that would be sufficient and speed and convenience would be good for either rescue purposes, or newbie installs. Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1 I would really like this for a rescue situation, so that I don't have to register nick's and muck around trying to remember my nick and password. For total newbies, it'd be good too. I imagine that it wouldn't that significant of a burden. Over on the user list, the OP mentioned Sabayon doing this. Pidgin is in the live cd and would work fine for this, to my knowledge. It would have to be something in the live cd. I see it more as a live-cd thing rather than necessary on an actual install. Jeff Spaleta: If we were going to do something similar in Fedora, I would strongly suggest these items be addressed before it goes live in a spin: 1) that we have a team of individuals ready to go as ops for the channel before it goes live in a spin, with an effort to get 24 hour coverage. These are the people with the authority to step in and move things along if the conversation degrades. 2) Identify a "helper" role and a list of people who are filling that role and provide best practices policy for how to help users coming in with problems. This may or may not be the same as the ops role. The point being these are the people who commit to "helpdesk hours" in a public way. If someone comes in at a certain time, they should be able to check and see if a helper is manning the helpdesk. Mutual aid between users is a very useful thing, but having someone there who is committed to setting an example on how to work through problems with other people goes along way towards keeping things pleasant and constructive. 3) There needs to be an established rules of conduct which is presented to users before they enter the channel. Not in the channel topic...after they've entered. I want a nag dialog, prior to entering irc-space. A first time dialog would be fine.
Comment 12 Kevin Kofler 2008-06-12 04:21:39 EDT
> I'd like to see that in the live cd, which is useful for rescue > purposes. As the fedora room/group/? requires nickserv registration, > there would have to be an automated script to randomly generate a nick > and register it, like with password "foo". That sucks as a solution. Can't #fedora be opened up for unregistered users instead?
Comment 13 Valent Turkovic 2010-05-06 11:18:49 EDT
Generating random user/password isn't that bad.
Comment 18 Rahul Sundaram 2013-04-05 12:44:42 EDT
This was opened so long ago and nothing has been done so far. Either do this or close it as wontfix. Thanks