Bug 187526
Summary: | Click-through explanation of Fedora goals | ||
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Product: | [Fedora] Fedora | Reporter: | Ian Pilcher <arequipeno> |
Component: | distribution | Assignee: | Bill Nottingham <notting> |
Status: | CLOSED RAWHIDE | QA Contact: | Bill Nottingham <notting> |
Severity: | medium | Docs Contact: | |
Priority: | medium | ||
Version: | rawhide | CC: | jcm, jonstanley, rvokal |
Target Milestone: | --- | Keywords: | FutureFeature |
Target Release: | --- | ||
Hardware: | All | ||
OS: | Linux | ||
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Fixed In Version: | Doc Type: | Enhancement | |
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Last Closed: | 2008-05-12 19:48:00 UTC | Type: | --- |
Regression: | --- | Mount Type: | --- |
Documentation: | --- | CRM: | |
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oVirt Team: | --- | RHEL 7.3 requirements from Atomic Host: | |
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Description
Ian Pilcher
2006-03-31 17:11:51 UTC
I think this would make more sense in gnome-session on a per-user first login basis with a side wide disable function. Then people can't easily ignore it. Jon. Having this in the installer doesn't make sense as it doesn't help for cases where, eg, Fedora is preinstalled on your system A couple of points: 1. Not everyone uses GNOME. 2. In my mind, the target audience for this warning is the people who are installing Fedora Core. The earlier they see this message, the better. Someone confronted with a pre-configured Fedora desktop is likely to complain to their helpdesk, spouse, significant other (whoever set up Fedora Core in the first place). I believe that our objective should be to equip that person/organization to respond. What the heck, put it in both places. :-) I think this is the wrong approach. This is a "reactive" approach IMHO by giving people excuses why thing are not part of the OS, instead of telling them what they want to know, which is how they can have such support. We should either leave it as it is now, or we should inform people via dialog or whatever, _where_ they can get _LEGAL_ software to do what they want. Of course we should not point people to any places that have illegal software, or software of legal questionability. By pointing people to where they can obtain legal software for mp3 playback, DVD playback, etc. we would be being proactive about it at least. However, even though I think this would be the right "proactive" approach, I don't think it will solve the problem. There will be people who are used to various legally questionable software being available in other distributions, or from random download sites out there, and they will expect that software to be included in Fedora Core, just like it is included in some other distributions out there which do not have much regard for legal concerns. We can explain /why/ we don't include certain things until we're blue in the face, but the fact is, people generally do not want to hear it. They just want the software they want, period, and from their viewpoint, if Ubuntu, or whatever other distro ships the software they want, then there is no reason Fedora should not ship it as well. These people do not want to hear us tell them "If Ubuntu were to jump into a live volcano, should Fedora do that too?" The problem is that we are faced by certain legal realities, and legal risks, and have taken a position that protects our distribution and our company from legal problems resulting from shipping questionable software, however the unwashed masses out there do not generally care much about legal mumbo jumbo, legal grey areas, and think if one person/group/company can do something and get away with it, that it is ok for everyone to do it. No amount of argument/debate/information/explanation/whatever is going to change the irrational thought process of the average joe who does not have any knowledge of law, and generally doesn't care about it either, because it is so unlikely for it to ever affect them personally. The law doesn't go after "Joe", it goes after large corporations, and Joe doesn't grok the difference, or care. Joe just wants to do what he wants, regardless of the law. IMHO, the best thing we can do at least in the current climate, is to do what we've done all along, and point people to well written documentation on the Fedora site. If this "problem" truly becomes a large enough problem in which boatloads of Fedora users start flocking to Ubuntu or some other distro that may or may not ship legally questionable software that users crave, we can always solve that problem when the time comes. My previous points elsewhere were to the effect that we need a dialog that points the user to legal alternatives as ways of providing what they may consider to be missing. I think this is a serious problem and one that is (wrongfully) costing Fedora mindshare. I see reaction from many that confirms this belief. Note that the subject is addressed in the release notes. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/#id3145731 Which are available in the installer. Which appear as the default homepage for Firefox on a newly installed system. If you install FC 5 right now, this is what appears for English: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/release-notes-ISO/ The local file /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html has a side bar navigation that points at fedorafaq.org and fedoraforum.org. Either of those Websites has plenty of answers about MP3, DVD, etc. Just noting that we have not been entirely negligent in our duties to inform and help out. I'm going to close this bug - we have codeina now. While not a perfect solution, it's probably the best we can do. |