Bug 450396

Hello,


Please, is this much-needed patch scheduled to *officially* appear in Fedora 9, Fedora 10, RHEL5 and CentOS anytime soon ?

Currently, there is no *easy* way to write a document with correct Romanian characters in Fedora 9, even if one has the correct fonts installed (those with comma below for Romanian-specific characters).

We arrived in the strange point where one can do this on Windows XP (using Cristian Secara's driver at http://www.secarica.ro and Microsoft's additions to European Union fonts), but is hard to do it on Linux...


Thanks a lot,
Răzvan

Also, how can we make sure that, if one chooses Romanian as the system language (in system-config-language), the *default* keyboard arrangement becomes "secondary layout" + "comma below"  ?

Thanks again,
Răzvan

(In reply to comment #1)
> Hello,
> 
> 
> Please, is this much-needed patch scheduled to *officially* appear in Fedora 9,
> Fedora 10, RHEL5 and CentOS anytime soon ?
> 
> Currently, there is no *easy* way to write a document with correct Romanian
> characters in Fedora 9, even if one has the correct fonts installed (those with
> comma below for Romanian-specific characters).
> 
> We arrived in the strange point where one can do this on Windows XP (using
> Cristian Secara's driver at http://www.secarica.ro and Microsoft's additions to
> European Union fonts), but is hard to do it on Linux...
> 

This should be fixed in Fedora-10 (see bug 450381), have you tried it in F-10 beta? If not please try ASAP and let us know about any problems there, then we can try to fix it for F-10.

As for fixing this in RHEL, I'm afraid it won't make 5.3 but I think its a pretty safe fix to backport from F-10 (once confirmed fixed there) for RHEL-5.4

What do the other anaconda team members think?

(In reply to comment #2)
> Also, how can we make sure that, if one chooses Romanian as the system language
> (in system-config-language), the *default* keyboard arrangement becomes
> "secondary layout" + "comma below"  ?
> 

I dunno, but that is a separate issue please file a new bug for tracking that.

Hi, 

I'm the translation coordinator for Romanian Fedora. I can confirm that this was fixed in rawhide a while ago and it still works.

I'll pick this up and try to get it on the list for RHEL-5.4, please ping me when 5.3 is released (otherwise I will probably forget and this may fall through the cracks).

Setting 5.4 to ? so this shows up in the tracking list

Hello,

I am able to confirm that all necessary keyboard arangements for Romanian language are already present in Fedora 10, so the good starting point for solving this bug in RHEL would be to inherit the new code from there and test/refine it.

For correct Romanian support in RHEL, there are other conditions to meet, too: please see bug #472176 and bug #466117 . Mainly, proper UTF-8 fonts, support in configuration utilities (system-config-...), support in anaconda.


Regards,
Răzvan

This request was evaluated by Red Hat Product Management for
inclusion, but this component is not scheduled to be updated in
the current Red Hat Enterprise Linux release. If you would like
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The impact of this bug on the Romanian market was recently explained in detail at:

    http://dag.wieers.com/blog/are-there-too-few-people-who-understand-desktop-linux#comment-1779

Hello,


Here's a practical case where Red Hat Enterprise Linux / CentOS 5.3 cannot be used by Romanian users, due to this missing feature (please also see bug 472176).

In my company, I have to install a few workstatations for a group of fellow developers. Since a few Windows-only applications are needed, RHEL/CentOS would be the perfect environment to run Windows in virtualization (with Red Hat's NATIVE virtualization, not VMWare or Sun's VirtualBox solutions).

The hardware is just more powerfull PCs, not other class of machines: 64-bit Intel based, 4 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD.

The idea is to move on the host Linux as much as desktop functionality as possible - such as browsing, e-mail, office suite, etc. - while leaving inside the  virtualized box ONLY the Windows-only programs. When we will have complete Linux solutions, Windows in virtualization will be completely dropped.

But, for the moment, the Linux dom0 cannot be used as a workstation in Romanian language, because users are unable to create CORRECT Romanian e-mails and documents.

No published workaround seems to be present, so we must wait next releases, until correct Romanian language support is backported from Fedora to RHEL/CentOS.

Fedora 11 would be another logical choice for the workstations, but it cannot be used since it has no support for virtualization (dom0).

Another solution is to run the desktop applications - Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org - in a Fedora 11 virtualized on CentOS, but this should be too much overhead. *Two* virtualised machines just to run a pretty regular office workstation ?


Best regards,
Răzvan

This request was evaluated by Red Hat Product Management for
inclusion, but this component is not scheduled to be updated in
the current Red Hat Enterprise Linux release. If you would like
this request to be reviewed for the next minor release, ask your
support representative to set the next rhel-x.y flag to "?".