Bug 737135

(I looked for a similar ticket and couldn't find it; apologies for duplication)

I'm having huge amounts of trouble debugging any problems that I have with init scripts with systemd on Fedora 15.  I hope very much that this is a simple user error/lack of understanding on my part.

As far as I can tell, standard output and standard error from sysv init scripts, or the things they call, or most of the systemd scripts themselves, is simply thrown out; the default for StandardError= and StandardOutput= seems to be "toss out", or something.  At least, it isn't going to anywhere *I* can find.

Changing the default lines in /etc/systemd/system.conf and doing a daemon-reexc doesn't seem to change this behaviour.  Worse still, changing the LogLevel/LogTarget there doesn't seem to do anything either, so systemd doesn't even say what it thinks it's doing (unless I reboot, I guess/hope).

So, no error output if the daemon itself doesn't know to send error output to syslog.

Normally when I can't find logs for something, I just strace it, but that doesn't work because systemctl uses dbus to kick off systemd stuff.

This leaves me with no way to debug an init script (which is fun because I'm running SELinux with unconfined off, so this comes up A Lot).  I can debug the *daemon*, but sometimes the init script breaks the daemon in ways that don't happen when I run it directly myself.

I happen to know about SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT because a friend mentioned it, and that sometimes helps, but that's not documented *anywhere* as far as I can tell; even googling for that name directly finds no discussion of it.

So.  Not sure what I'm asking for here really, but I wanted to let you all know of my difficulties so maybe something could be done.

-Robin