Bug 753702

Hmm, this might only apply to @xfce-desktop not XFCE Live.

Well, you need xscreensaver installed. ;) 

I suppose we could add it to the Xfce group, but there might have been some reason we didn't... 

Adding Christoph here to see if he recalls. ;)

I'm fine with adding xscreensaver to the Xfce group as 'default', however it wont help us much.

(In reply to comment #0)
> 2. Walk away or suspend computer.

How did you suspend your computer?

> Expected results:
> 4. Desktop to be locked after 5-10 min.

I think this doesn't make sense. It's ok to expect the screen to be locked after hibernate/suspend, but once the machine is hibernate/suspended, time stands still and should not matter any longer.

> Seems currently XFCE needs to be locked manually
> which can't be done when suspending or hibernating.

Xfce will lock the screen if you suspend/hibernate through xfce4-powermanager and it's configured to lock, but not if you suspend/hibernate from the logout window or the panel (xfce4-session's "Session menu" plugin or xfce4-panel's "Action Buttons").

In http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4805#c7 and http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4805#c23 upstream made it very clear that he will not change this behavior in Xfce 4.8. In 4.10 xfce4-power-manager will become a core component of Xfce and then be used to handle all suspend/hibernate calls.

What we could do is to disable the buttons in the logout window through xfconf:
$ xfconf-query -n -c xfce4-session -p /shutdown/ShowSuspend -s false -t bool
$ xfconf-query -n -c xfce4-session -p /shutdown/ShowHibernate -s false -t bool

However this does not fix the panel plugins and I'm not sure if it affects existing installs.

For previous discussion please have a look at bug 525395 and bug 587633.

(I am not a big fan of xscreensaver - I would prefer if it
defaulted to just blanking the screen.:)

(In reply to comment #3)
> > Expected results:
> > 4. Desktop to be locked after 5-10 min.
> 
> I think this doesn't make sense. It's ok to expect the screen to be locked
> after hibernate/suspend, but once the machine is hibernate/suspended, time
> stands still and should not matter any longer.

Ah, probably my fault for mixing up two issues here.
I was also referring to gnome-screensaver not kicking in
by itself after an idle period (not just for suspend)
- maybe gnome-screener needs to be setup better to work with xfce.

This still seems to be the case for F16.  So xscreensaver may help for that.

> Xfce will lock the screen if you suspend/hibernate through xfce4-powermanager
> and it's configured to lock, but not if you suspend/hibernate from the logout
> window or the panel (xfce4-session's "Session menu" plugin or xfce4-panel's
> "Action Buttons").
> 
> In http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4805#c7 and
> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4805#c23 upstream made it very clear
> that he will not change this behavior in Xfce 4.8. In 4.10 xfce4-power-manager
> will become a core component of Xfce and then be used to handle all
> suspend/hibernate calls.

Ok I see thanks for the explanation - that makes sense.
Good to hear that it will get fixed for F17 hopefully then.

> What we could do is to disable the buttons in the logout window through xfconf:
> $ xfconf-query -n -c xfce4-session -p /shutdown/ShowSuspend -s false -t bool
> $ xfconf-query -n -c xfce4-session -p /shutdown/ShowHibernate -s false -t bool

Yeah that might be a good way to improve security though
it might confuse current users who are used to the current
logout dialog.  I guess the ideal solution would be to patch xfce4-session
to always lock the screen before suspending or hibernating, until 4.10.

> For previous discussion please have a look at bug 525395 and bug 587633.

Thanks for all the info.

Ok, I changed the summary just to cover gnome-screensaver not activating
when the screen times out.

Well, gnome-screensaver not activating after the timeout is not an XFCE problem. GNOME devs decided that they no longer trust the X server to determine if a session is idle but only trust gnome-session:
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-screensaver/commit/?id=8c391b54

That's why we had to switch to xscreensaver, complain to your colleague when you meet him. ;)

There are some workarounds like http://www.narf.ssji.net/~shtrom/wiki/projets/gnomescreensavernosession but I doubt we can use these kind of hacks in Fedora.

Ok I see... well I guess xscreensaver is the best bet for now.

Perhaps I'll try to ask if the maintainer would consider making
it just blank the screen by default.

If you install only xscreensaver-base you should get just a blank screen because the screensavers are set to random and none is installed.

I have added xscreensaver-base to the xfce4-desktop group in comps in http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=comps.git;a=commit;h=4b481b87.

Anything more we need/should/could do?

Thanks - xscreensaver-base looks good.

Ah, perhaps xscreensaver can be removed now from fedora-livecd-xfce.ks then?

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(In reply to comment #10)
> Ah, perhaps xscreensaver can be removed now from fedora-livecd-xfce.ks then?

For the record: This was done as part of the new comps groups for F18.