Bug 76248
Summary: | lang=en_US.UTF-8 gives bad us_intl keyboard output | ||
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Product: | [Retired] Red Hat Linux | Reporter: | JLapham <lapham> |
Component: | XFree86 | Assignee: | Mike A. Harris <mharris> |
Status: | CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE | QA Contact: | David Lawrence <dkl> |
Severity: | medium | Docs Contact: | |
Priority: | medium | ||
Version: | 8.0 | CC: | emmanuel.druon, fabio, hp, mharris, otaylor |
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Hardware: | i686 | ||
OS: | Linux | ||
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Last Closed: | 2005-04-20 15:01:39 UTC | Type: | --- |
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Description
JLapham
2002-10-18 18:07:22 UTC
I realize now that I am reading my bug description report, that in a number of places I entered the "c-cedilla" character it was bugzilla-ically translated into a "g". Ugh. Anyway, I hope it is clear what I meant. "c-cedilla" is the "c" with a short tai sticking out of the bottom. Type apostrophy followed by "c" (when you LANG=en_US and keyboard is "us_intl") to see what I mean. I'm assuming this is a gkb_applet problem, but I'm not sure really. Having LANG=en_US.UTF-8 also distorts man pages and ncurses-based menus (at least I've noticed this when logged in via SSH). I manually changed it back to LANG=en_US in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and all is well. There is more on this and it is recent, I mean it did not happen to me with the original RH 8.0 installation... perhaps some recent update I did't notice? I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but pt-latin1 keyboard: c-cedilla , small ordinal (ordfeminine and masculine) and keys accessed with alt_gr (including brakets and 'at' sign) stop working in KDE (but not in text mode console) hp- Just noticed your comments, I must have missed the bugzilla email when you originally made them. I do not believe this is a gkb_applet problem. You should be able to reproduce by logging out and changing the language using gdm. I simply used gkb_applet as a shortcut to having to log out constantly to reproduce the problem. Choosing "english" in gdm sets LANG=en_US.UTF-8 (exhibiting the accented characters problem), while selecting "system default" in gdm sets LANG=en_US (does not exhibit the accented characters problem). I chose "gnome-applets" for the component of this bug only because I didn't know what else to choose. Is there a better component? Thanks BTW, there is another bug that seems to be related to problems with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77045 ... which is also resolved by changing LANG. So essentially the us_intl keymap works in en_US[.ISO88591] but not en_US.UTF-8. (We should be sure this is general across Qt, GTK, etc. apps and not only OpenOffice.) I would tend to reassign to XFree86, if it applies to all applications and appears to be a bug in either the keymap or X's interpretation of the keymap. I found that (at least in my case) what was causing all the problems was simply a corrupt file: /etc/X11/xkb/types/iso9995 has became dirty after a forced fsck and that is what caused the sudden problem I didn't originally had. I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and pt-latin1 and I can (now, again) obtain c-cedilla directly in my keyb (I do not need to use the Keyboard Layout Switcher). Sorry fellows, this was not the same problem. Here is a list of applications on a standard RH8.0 installation that exhibit this bug. I was unable to test KDE since I don't install it. dia - problem gnome-terminal - okay abiword - problem gedit - okay vim (text mode) - okay emacs (text mode) - okay emacs (X mode) - problem mozilla - problem gnumeric - problem nedit - problem balsa - problem gFTP - problem gdm setup - okay gqview - problem dictionary - okay file roller - okay <mode type="talking out ass"> So, maybe the only apps that work correctly are the ones ported to gnome2? </mode> HTH, Jon Adding CC to see if anyone has a clue. What happens if you open up a terminal, and set the keyboard to us_intl manually via setxkbmap? The "problem" here is pretty straightforward ... C with acute accent exists and is used in various eastern-European languages, en_US.iso-8859-1 doesn't have this character so dead_acute + c might as well give c_cedilla en_US.UTF-8 does have this character, so the compose tables for it give this character instead of c_cedilla. It's not a keyboard map issue at all, but rather a compose table issue. Therefore, we can't do anything special when the keyboard map is us_intl, even if we know that us_intl is used mostly in Brazilian, and thus needs c-cedilla not c-with-acute. (Sadly, I think you'll find the gtk2 packages in Rawhide cause the "OK" applications above to give the same behavior as the rest ... the c-with-acute combination was added recently.) About all that can be done here is to create a special pt_BR.UTF-8 compose table; people who want english messages plus the pt_BR compose table will need to use a mixed setup like "LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8" Owen- What you are saying makes sense. I didn't know that "c acute" existed anywhere. For me, even though I live in Brasil, 99% of the time I use LANG=en_US.whatever and a US keyboard because it is the easiest combination in which to do computer programming. But, I need a quick way to switch to being able to type Portuguese (including c_cedilla) for email, etc. I imagine this is a fairly common situation for people. Crazy idea. If you think about it, making c_cedilla by pressing "apostrophy c" seems kind of counter intuitive since the tail in the c_cedilla goes down. Obviously the comma couldn't be used (since it is a popular key), but what about using "semi-colon c" to mean c_cedilla? Would that solve the problem? I smell a keyboard mappings holy war... :) In any case, looks like it's definitely not a gnome-applets issue. Probably not a gnome-applets issue, but it isn't really a Red Hat Linux specific issue either IMHO. This type of a change is something that ultimately needs to be changed in the upstream XFree86 source code itself if it is indeed a feature that should be part of any vendor's system, and should not be a Red Hat specific or any other vendor specific thing. I think it is best if you report this issue to the XFree86 team directly by posting a discussion about it on the xpert mailing list and soliciting the opinions of many other users and developers. Once a conclusion is reached, if the XFree86 team hasn't already commited something to the CVS repository to add such an enhancement, you might want to post a summary of the discussion as a bug report to xfree86. XFree86org has shown a distinct heightened interest in internationalization issues lately, in particular with respect to xkb changes and similar, and having this flow through the upstream channel is much more likely to have a speedier resolution. I'm closing this for now as DEFERED for upstream resolution. Once upstream discussion and resolution has taken place, please reopen this report with the results once changes have been commited to CVS to handle this, and I'll build new packages in RAWHIDE. Thanks. I think we missed an important information from post #4 :
>>keys accessed with alt_gr (including brakets and 'at' sign) stop working in
>>KDE (but not in text mode console)
I agree that c-acute exists in some languages : if you take a look at the
symbols in us_intl, the correct way to do a c-cedilla is to use altgr , + c
But as i3cc (sorry there's no name in your post dude) said, the keys accessed
with alt_gr aren't working on RH9 (they were working fine on RH7.3) at least
when you use the us_intl keymap (because when I use let's say an fr keymap
things work fine). So there is no way to produce a c-cedilla. Moreover, if
without switching to LANG=en_US, I didn't find a way to produce a " symbol in a
konsole : " + space produces some other kind of " incompatible with almost anything.
I hope this add-on will reopen the case since some of us really need the
international symbols with a US keyboard.
Emmanuel
Hello, guys. In fact, THERE IS a way to produce a cedilla in us_intl. It's Multi_key + , + c (one key at once). The problem is that, in Red Hat 8.0 and 9 (I don't know if it is a Red Hat or XFree86.org problem), the Multi_key is not mapped in the 'us' key symbol table. I fixed the problem by changing /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us. I mapped the Right Alt key to Multi_key. There is a copy of this modified version at http://www.gs2.com.br/keyboard/ . Also, there was a problem with Red Hat 8/9 version of Mozilla: when I pressed " + space, it printed ¨ instead of ". The problem was solved by upgrading Mozilla to 1.4 (from RawHide). Since this bugzilla report was filed, there have been several major updates to the X Window System, which may resolve this issue. Users who have experienced this problem are encouraged to upgrade to the latest version of Fedora Core, which can be obtained from: http://fedora.redhat.com/download If this issue turns out to still be reproduceable in the latest version of Fedora Core, please file a bug report in the X.Org bugzilla located at http://bugs.freedesktop.org in the "xorg" component. Once you've filed your bug report to X.Org, if you paste the new bug URL here, Red Hat will continue to track the issue in the centralized X.Org bug tracker, and will review any bug fixes that become available for consideration in future updates. Setting status to "CURRENTRELEASE". |