From Bugzilla Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040510 Galeon/1.3.16 Description of problem: For some reason, Fedora only includes a subset of the core Xfce4 rpms. What I mean by that are those programs included by Xfce4 developers in their tarballs. I don't mean any of the Xfce-goodies, which are extras, but those parts included by default. Looking over current Rawhide, I see these Xfce4-related RPMs: dbh-1.0.18-4.i386.rpm dbh-devel-1.0.18-4.i386.rpm libxfce4mcs-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm libxfce4mcs-devel-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm libxfce4util-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm libxfce4util-devel-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm libxfcegui4-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm libxfcegui4-devel-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce-mcs-manager-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce-mcs-manager-devel-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce-mcs-plugins-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce-utils-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce4-panel-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfdesktop-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xffm-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xffm-icons-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfwm4-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfwm4-themes-4.0.6-1.noarch.rpm Now, compare to Fangorn's FC2 repo (http://fangorn.new.fr/archives/xfce) which is based on the main distribution and we see the following omissions from FC: gtk-xfce-engine-2.1.10-1.i386.rpm xfcalendar-0.1.9-1.i386.rpm xfce4-iconbox-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce4-mixer-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce4-systray-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce4-themes-4.0.6-1.noarch.rpm xfce4-toys-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfce4-trigger-launcher-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm xfprint-4.0.6-1.i386.rpm Some of these are pretty important. Anyone getting help from an Xfce list or general people will often be referred to "use Iconbox", say. Well, with Fedora, that is *not* possible. If you want a more unified look with GTK 2 programs, you need gtk-xfce-engine. If you want to use the ever-more-prevalent notification-area blips (say gnome-cd or straw), you need xfce4-systray. Finally, many people prefer to use GUI-style print management. Well, with Fedora, since xfprint isn't included, this is *not* possible. There actually is a Bugzilla report about this: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=125788 But since it hasn't been looked at in a couple months, I figured adding xfprint to this bug wouldn't hurt. Please, allow a complete Xfce4 to be included in FC3. I understand about not including the goodies, and NewRPMs covers those. But things like iconbox, systray, gtk-xfce-engine, and xfprint really do need to be included in the core of an OS. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Create new FC2 box. 2. Try to use Xfce's iconbox instead of taskbar. 3. Actual Results: The iconbox should load. Expected Results: Can't because the program isn't included by default. Additional info:
Are any of these packaged at fedora.us/Fedora Extras? That may be a start, but certainly systray seems useful.
No, they aren't. The reason I suspect that they aren't at fedora.us is that Rudolf Kastl of NewRPMs fame used to package Xfce for RH 9 and then FC 1. So, I'm guessing fedora.us never had a need to do it. But, when FC 2 included (part of) Xfce4 in the core, Rudolf decided to drop the core Xfce4 packages from his repo and only supply some of the Goodies from: http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/ I think there was a sort of perfect confluence of events here. Many longtime Xfce4 users never noticed anything wrong when upgrading to FC2 because Anaconda only installed over the subset. Thus, there was still a usable xfce4-systray-4.0.4 from the FC1 days. Same with iconbox, gtk-xfce-engine, &c. And new users of Xfce4 adding it fresh would never notice the omission. It's really only if a Xfce4 user does a fresh install, that they realise their imported ~/.xfce4 setup goes absolutely nuts because iconbox is gone, the systray is missing, and everything looks odd due to the lack of gtk-xfce-engine.
iconbox, systray, gtk-xfce-engine, and xfprint are now included in fc3 test3.
Did you change the name of gtk-xfce-engine? I can't find it in my local mirror's 2.92 directory.
oh sorry, we have made decision to add iconbox, systray, and xfprint in fc3, but not gtk-xfce-engine.