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Description of problem:
When firewall-cmd --reload is called, one of the first actions performed is
to add a new table "firewalld_policy_drop" and set everything to DROP except
for related,established traffic.
This ruleset is kept until reload is completed.
On hosts creating a high amount of connections per second, this inevitably
results in a number of connection attempts returning EPERM when the
"connection" is UDP or ICMP and sendto() is called.
An example of a host behaving like this is any monitoring software performing
pings and retrieving SNMP data (udp) from hundreds or thousands of hosts with
1-2 minutes interval per host.
An example of a real world problem: OpenNMS will mark a service/host as down
if sendto() fails when trying to retrieve SNMP data or when trying to ping
a host and there's a netfilter rule that would drop that packet.
In practical terms, busy OpenNMS hosts using firewalld and calling
`firewall-cmd --reload` will temporarily mark a high number of hosts as down
because java.io.IOException("EPERM") is raised and OpenNMS seems to
understand that the host/service is down because no response is received.
I understand that we could blame OpenNMS here because receiving EPERM as
result of a call to `sendto()` doesn't mean that a host/service is down, and
it should keep trying a number of times until the request times out or a
response is received.
It would be useful in these situations if the user could have some more
control over this "firewalld_policy_drop" temporary state.
For example, having a configuration option like this one:
AllowOutputOnReload=yes/no
Could allow the user to configure whether outbound traffic is considered safe
and should be permitted while the ruleset is being reloaded.
I understand that this is probably more an RFE than a bug report, but I wanted to check first to make sure I'm not missing something and maybe this behavior can be controlled somehow.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
All firewalld releases.
How reproducible:
Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Start listening UDP on one host:
# socat udp-recv:1234 stdout >/dev/null
2. Send UDP packets as quickly as possible to that host:
# for i in {1..10000}; do nc -u DEST_IP 1234 <<<$i >/dev/null; done
3. Reload the firewalld ruleset via `firewall-cmd --reload`. See the EPERM
messages on the shell running the for loop
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Ncat: Operation not permitted.
Actual results:
Some UDP and ICMP outbound traffic is forbidden with EPERM
Expected results:
Outbound traffic shouldn't be forbidden while firewalld is reloading the
ruleset
Additional info:
No additional info
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Description of problem: When firewall-cmd --reload is called, one of the first actions performed is to add a new table "firewalld_policy_drop" and set everything to DROP except for related,established traffic. This ruleset is kept until reload is completed. On hosts creating a high amount of connections per second, this inevitably results in a number of connection attempts returning EPERM when the "connection" is UDP or ICMP and sendto() is called. An example of a host behaving like this is any monitoring software performing pings and retrieving SNMP data (udp) from hundreds or thousands of hosts with 1-2 minutes interval per host. An example of a real world problem: OpenNMS will mark a service/host as down if sendto() fails when trying to retrieve SNMP data or when trying to ping a host and there's a netfilter rule that would drop that packet. In practical terms, busy OpenNMS hosts using firewalld and calling `firewall-cmd --reload` will temporarily mark a high number of hosts as down because java.io.IOException("EPERM") is raised and OpenNMS seems to understand that the host/service is down because no response is received. I understand that we could blame OpenNMS here because receiving EPERM as result of a call to `sendto()` doesn't mean that a host/service is down, and it should keep trying a number of times until the request times out or a response is received. It would be useful in these situations if the user could have some more control over this "firewalld_policy_drop" temporary state. For example, having a configuration option like this one: AllowOutputOnReload=yes/no Could allow the user to configure whether outbound traffic is considered safe and should be permitted while the ruleset is being reloaded. I understand that this is probably more an RFE than a bug report, but I wanted to check first to make sure I'm not missing something and maybe this behavior can be controlled somehow. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): All firewalld releases. How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Start listening UDP on one host: # socat udp-recv:1234 stdout >/dev/null 2. Send UDP packets as quickly as possible to that host: # for i in {1..10000}; do nc -u DEST_IP 1234 <<<$i >/dev/null; done 3. Reload the firewalld ruleset via `firewall-cmd --reload`. See the EPERM messages on the shell running the for loop Ncat: Operation not permitted. Ncat: Operation not permitted. Ncat: Operation not permitted. Ncat: Operation not permitted. Ncat: Operation not permitted. Ncat: Operation not permitted. Actual results: Some UDP and ICMP outbound traffic is forbidden with EPERM Expected results: Outbound traffic shouldn't be forbidden while firewalld is reloading the ruleset Additional info: No additional info