Bug 23257 - Lose the suid/sgid bits please!
Summary: Lose the suid/sgid bits please!
Alias: None
Product: Red Hat Linux
Classification: Retired
Component: procmail   
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Version: 7.1
Hardware: i386
OS: Linux
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Assignee: Trond Eivind Glomsrxd
QA Contact: David Lawrence
Keywords: Security
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Reported: 2001-01-03 23:36 UTC by Chris Evans
Modified: 2007-04-18 16:30 UTC (History)
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Last Closed: 2001-05-22 13:18:05 UTC
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Description Chris Evans 2001-01-03 23:36:16 UTC
I just did a quick test with RH7.1beta1 plus the following tweak:

chmod -s /usr/bin/procmail

With this tweak in place, mail delivery still works fine - both remote and
local. Furthermore, procmail is still invoked by sendmail - I put in a
.procmailrc file and it triggered fine.

Also, I tried the test without a /var/spool/mail/chris (procmail does not
have permission to create this file). But sendmail itself created the file
before invoking procmail, so even in this case everything worked fine.

I only saw one difference - the permissions on the created mail spool

With suid procmail:
-rw-rw---- chris mail

Without suid procmail:
-rw------- chris mail

And to be honest I prefer the 2nd permissions - a group mail breakage
doesn't get access to private mail.

Comments from a sendmail/procmail/mail in general guru please.

As far as I can tell, losing the suid bits has no serious functional
but the security gain is very very useful (procmail code is a bit
This change should probably be done early in the beta cycle to catch
any unexpected side effects...

Comment 1 Jeff Johnson 2001-01-06 22:06:44 UTC
Setuid/setgid bits removed in procmail-3.14-6.

Comment 2 Chris Evans 2001-02-05 22:59:03 UTC
Verified with beta3. Thanks!

Comment 3 Jos Vos 2001-05-22 11:42:20 UTC
This is very nice, but... now Postfix can't deliver local mail anymore (tested
with Postfix as delivered in the RH 7.1 Powertools).

Comment 4 Chris Evans 2001-05-22 11:56:40 UTC
Sounds like a Postfix bug or configuration error.
I'd be disappointed to see the suid-bits on procmail

Comment 5 Chris Evans 2001-05-22 11:58:16 UTC
Hmm - is the issue that postfix expects the mailboxes
writable by group mail? Or that it relies on a privileged

Comment 6 Jos Vos 2001-05-22 12:06:01 UTC
From the Postfix main.cf configuration file:

# The mailbox_command parameter specifies the optional external
# command to use instead of mailbox delivery. The command is run as
# the recipient with proper HOME, SHELL and LOGNAME environment settings.
# Exception:  delivery for root is done as $default_user.

So, setgid mail for procmail (without setuid root) would work (and I verified
this), but not for mail to root.  Postfix is designed to be very secure, but
this is done by handing over permission problems to other programs :-(.

Comment 7 Daniel Roesen 2001-05-22 12:13:09 UTC
Mail should _never_ be delivered to root itself. Always alias root to a normal
user in the aliases map!

Comment 8 Jos Vos 2001-05-22 13:14:00 UTC
I agree, but I'm not sure whether I want this to be *enforced* by the software.
This is UNIX, with all freedoms of choice...  Nevertheless, you then still need
the setgid mail bit of procmail.

Comment 9 Daniel Roesen 2001-05-22 13:18:00 UTC
It should be secure by default. People who want to shoot themselves into their
feet can do so... given they find man chmod :-)

Comment 10 Trond Eivind Glomsrxd 2001-05-22 14:00:47 UTC
The permissions on procmail are not going to change (I don't trust it).

If this causes problems for postfix, open a bug against it (and please add me to
the CC line).

Comment 11 Matthew Miller 2001-08-26 16:09:17 UTC
Did someone open a bug against postfix? I'm playing with this a bit, and I can't
get the 6.2 procmail update to work with postfix *even if I reenable the suid
bits*! The 3.14 package works fine.

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