Bug 895483 - Incorrect hardware overview section
Summary: Incorrect hardware overview section
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Status: CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE
Alias: None
Product: Fedora Documentation
Classification: Fedora
Component: install-guide
Version: devel
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
unspecified
urgent
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Petr Bokoc
QA Contact: Ruediger Landmann
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TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2013-01-15 10:21 UTC by Kevin Raymond
Modified: 2013-07-29 16:41 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Last Closed: 2013-07-29 16:41:58 UTC
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Description Kevin Raymond 2013-01-15 10:21:52 UTC
Hi guys,

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/sn-Is_Your_Hardware_Compatible-x86.html 

> 4.2. Is Your Hardware Compatible?
links to the release notes but on the release notes, there is no hardware section any more. Don't know if we need to fix the RN or this guide.

It also refers to smolt which is not used any more (correct?)

So basically, the 3 links there are wrong.


Please tell me ASAP (on irc #fedora-websites) what should I use at https://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/ under the "More about requirements >" link.

Cheers,

Comment 1 Kevin Raymond 2013-01-15 15:17:05 UTC
ok, nothing that we can take from the docs, I am removing this link until we have an other resource (from the wiki?).

Comment 2 Jack Reed 2013-01-16 03:10:50 UTC
Hi Kevin,

Yes, those links in the Installation Guide will certainly need to be fixed for the next release.

I can't find the link or sidebar that you're referring to. There's nothing titled 'More about requirements' that I can find at that URL. Can you send a direct link or a more specific direction?

As for the information we could provide or link to instead, even the wiki doesn't seem like an option. The Hardware Compatibility List looks to have been abandoned, then resurrected, then abandoned again if the last update being in 2009 is any indication. 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HCL

The sentiment that hardware is changing too rapidly for an HCL to be viable appears to still be held.

Consequently, I'm not sure where else we could link to on the website for now, if anywhere. What are you thinking now?

Comment 3 Jack Reed 2013-03-28 01:06:01 UTC
Pete, can you shed some light on why the 'Hardware Overview' section is missing from the F18 Release Notes? I had the sense that it had been left out for the last several releases, but I now see this began with F18.

Is this an intentional omission that will be corrected for F19, and therefore I can leave the reference Kevin links to in Comment 0 in the Installation Guide? Or will this section not be included from now on, perhaps due to the information being too varied across different systems? 

If that's the case, I'll have to assess whether '4.2. Is Your Hardware Compatible?' has any ongoing utility.

Comment 4 Pete Travis 2013-03-30 00:53:15 UTC
This was a known omission, but undesired. Like Kevin, I wasn't sure where to get the information from - I had thought to ask him, ironically. I'd like to have minimum and recommended system requirements for a default installation declared in the release notes, and I think that the conclusion Jack and I reached in the past to reference the RNs in the Installation Guide for this info is still good. I'll do some research and report back.

As for the actual copy at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/sn-Is_Your_Hardware_Compatible-x86.html , it could use some attention. Most x86 hardware and peripherals now enjoy decent support out of the box, to the point that an exclusive list would be more viable than an inclusive one as attempted with the HCL. Tested figures for CPU, memory, and storage might be the best we can offer without significant effort.

Comment 5 Kevin Raymond 2013-03-30 11:27:51 UTC
As a late answer, I dropped the reference on the websites as we had no information to link to. I'll add it back for F19 if we have one.

Pete, we have the same issu on the websites.. We have two several information:
Minimal (or recommended) requirements for the default Fedora download (Desktop Live GNOME 64bits), and the minimal for "Fedora".. We loose people here as it's not clear, and we will probably just stick with the default recommended.

The numbers that we used are from general mailing list call, or rel-eng answer as "people reported that the Anaconda install and Fedora generally worked with xxxGB of RAM". There should be a better approach. Or at least better communication.

We have a ticket there: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/191

Comment 6 Jack Reed 2013-04-02 04:02:06 UTC
Pete, Kevin:

Thanks for commenting. I'm following the thread you started on anaconda-devel-list, Pete, and will continue to when it moves over to devel-list. Hopefully the discussion generates a solid set of recommendations that we can apply to both the release notes and d.fp.o.

And I agree that a list of supported hardware like the HCL would likely be redundant with so much out-of-the-box support these days, so providing minimum requirements, recommended requirements, or both in the Release Notes should hopefully meet all needs.

Comment 7 Jack Reed 2013-06-12 03:26:29 UTC
The Hardware Overview section will be updated and restored to the Release Notes for F19, so the link to the Release Notes will be valid again.

I've also added the Notes' new minimum speed recommendation to the 'Requirements' section of the Installation Quick Start Guide. See: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/docs/install-guide.git/commit/?id=4958c51c382497d4c3b94a1ed5c38da4e9028e2c

Comment 9 Kevin Raymond 2013-06-29 12:58:18 UTC
Thanks!

I can see it on the release notes, fixed?
I updated the websites accordingly.


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