Description of problem: When I replace the fedora-logos package with generic-logos, I expect all the Fedora trademarks be replaced with some other items, which fit the system well. Most of the work is done well, but I really think that the file /usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png should be changed into something more appropriate. A smiling hot dog has nothing to do with Fedora, free software (or software in general), computers, boot (the picture is very prominently visible when booting with KMS enabled!) or anything else, which could make it suitable for the place where it is used. For reference, I uploaded the "offending" image here: http://tikkulehema.no-ip.org/~joonas/system-logo-white.png I understand that there may be lack of work force that prevents this kind of non-critical picture from getting replaced. However, I think that just replacing /usr/share/pixmaps/system-logo-white.png with a completely transparent image would be a lot better than staying with the current desing. Thanks for reading this, and please, let even those who have to use the generic logos to have a professional look in their Fedora! Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): generic-logos-10.0.1-2.fc11.noarch How reproducible: The image is very visible while booting, if KMS is enabled. Steps to Reproduce: 1. Install Fedora from Rawhide 2. Make sure that KMS is enabled and working 3. Boot the system Actual results: Pretty, professional-looking (Not really noticeable!) boot graphics Expected results: Annoying, cheesy smiling big hot dog as boot logo!
Well, the point of generic-logos was that they are placeholders to be replaced with actual logos for whatever customized spin that you're using/creating. The hot dog sort of emphasizes that fact, I suppose. If there really is a big push to not have it (this is the first bug filed to that effect) something can be done, but I strongly suggest I'm not the one to create such a logo.
While I understand that the generic-logos package is nowhere as important as fedora-logos, I still think that it should be good for use by itself. My specific use case is that I create livecd images of Rawhide for testing out stuff on a daily basis. I'd like to distribute these images to other potentially interested people, which I currently can't do without replacing fedora-logos with something else. Fortunately there is generic-logos, which lets me use Fedora packages exclusively, and doesn't require me to set up my custom repository just to have a custom "branding" in the distribution. However, the with the current boot logo I'd feel a bit ashamed giving out these images, because I don't feel the logo is in line with the general quality and mindset of Fedora. My preferred quick solution to this would be to replace the hot dog with Tux, the traditional Linux boot logo. If Tux is not desirable for a reason or another, my second suggestion would be to just use a completely transparent png, which would result in no logo appearing at all.
Just to clarify - why do you feel you need to remove fedora-logos for a custom rawhide spin? If you're not modifying packages, you don't have to.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#New_combinations_of_unmodified_Fedora_software I'd guess a custom spin is mostly a new combination of unmodified Fedora software. I'd need to ask for a permission before distributing, if I didn't remove the Fedora trademarks from the spin.
I, for one, welcome our new smiling hot dog masters, and would hate to see them removed.
This bug appears to have been reported against 'rawhide' during the Fedora 11 development cycle. Changing version to '11'. More information and reason for this action is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping
Personally, i think the hot dog image is old and tired. Mr Hot dog has had his time in the sun, he should be replaced with Mr happy breakfast taco guy: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/74
In some countries a smiling hot dog is considered offensive. It's also responsible for global warming. Can we get a more globally sustainable smiling vegetable guy, please.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495561#c8 is there any proof there is global warming? Also, this is not relevant to the fact this is not a bug. Cheesy Hotdog Guy is a beacon of freedom. Look at how damn free he looks!
Dunno, I think Ryan might be on to something... I think this guy (or someone inspired by him) deserves a chance to shine: http://bit.ly/g4odz
everyone, meet mr happy breakfast taco guy: https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/attachment/ticket/74/HBTG.png
Created attachment 364116 [details] the horror! the horror! This is the current graphic. Seemed like it should be attached to the bug for posterity.
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If there is a deep seated need for this, someone needs to create one, and propose it. (I'm going out on a limb and say that the taco variations aren't sufficiently different enough.) However, for a variety of reasons (1) I like it 2) I'm not any sort of graphics artist), I'm not specifically planning to work on this issue.
Also, don't take this distribution thing so seriously. Have a sense of the absurd.
Just to update on the status of this bug, there are now t-shirts that have been made. Long live the beefy miracle! http://blog.ianweller.org/2011/01/29/meet-your-new-shirt-god/
I think we need the Tux there, to be in line with the unbranded GNOME and KDE logos in the package. There is a transparent SVG version of the Tux which can be easily rendered in all necessary ways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tux.svg I believe Tux is culture neutral, unlike dead cow's muscles in a cylindrical form.
Reopening. Now that Fedora 17 release has the codename beefy miracle, the generic artwork should be ... generic. Let's get this replaced with something reusable for remixes more.
(In reply to comment #19) > Reopening. Now that Fedora 17 release has the codename beefy miracle, the > generic artwork should be ... generic. Let's get this replaced with something > reusable for remixes more. See comment #15: > If there is a deep seated need for this, someone needs to create one, and > propose it. (I'm going out on a limb and say that the taco variations aren't > sufficiently different enough.) > > However, for a variety of reasons (1) I like it 2) I'm not any sort of graphics > artist), I'm not specifically planning to work on this issue.
Also comment #2: >Well, the point of generic-logos was that they are placeholders to be replaced >with actual logos for whatever customized spin that you're using/creating. The >hot dog sort of emphasizes that fact, I suppose. >If there really is a big push to not have it (this is the first bug filed to >that effect) something can be done, but I strongly suggest I'm not the one to >create such a logo.
Don't close this. If you can't find time to do it yourself, ask for help in the design team list. The whole point of this package is to be reusable for remixes easily and the current design is a poor choice for that especially after the Fedora 17 codename vote. I understand the reasons why someone did it a long time ago reminiscing about a fun trivia in the past but we are beyond that now. Finding or creating a generic image cannot be such a problem for the Fedora design team.
(In reply to comment #22) > Don't close this. Why reopen this when you've been specifically asked by the package's maintainer to come back with a mockup? > If you can't find time to do it yourself, ask for help in the design team > list. Go right ahead.
(In reply to comment #22) > Don't close this. If you can't find time to do it yourself, ask for help in > the design team list. The whole point of this package is to be reusable for > remixes easily Not exactly, it's merely there to give them a legal alternative. Note that this package predates the remix logos. I struggle to see the usage case where someone is making a remix that differs enough that they can't use the official logo, do not want to use the already provided remix logo, but is simultaneously 1) concerned about their brand enough to not want to use the hot dog 2) unconcerned about their brand enough to want to use something generic that everyone else uses.
@Ian Weller. if you ask for help or mockups, you need to leave the bug report open. I have filed a ticket now at https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/203#preview @Bill Nottingham, When generic-logos was created, it was marketed as serving the needs of remixes. Here is a simple use case that someone did tell me in the last foss.in conference: I am creating my own product as a easily demoable live cd before I ask customers to buy it. I am using the base components of Fedora but I dont want to use the remix logos because a singular branding is useful for me. Being able to use the generic logos is better and something like tux would be more appropriate than a silly (and culturally offensive to many) hot dog.
If you want a package with generic tux-based artwork, you're free to make a 'tux-logos' package and use that. But that's outside the scope of this package. generic-logos is *placeholder artwork*. The hot dog's purpose is to serve as a gentle reminder to replace it with something of your own choosing. Therefore: if the hot dog bothers you so much that you want to replace it, that means it's WORKING AS DESIGNED.
No. It isn't working as designed. There is no reason to use a hotdog which isn't normally used as any kind of placeholder artwork except for a few people using it to promote it their pet codename. Don't keep closing this bug so eagerly. The maintainer asked for a generic tux mockup and I have filed a ticket to provide that. Leave it open till then. If you want to promote hot dog images in Fedora, create a hotdog-logos package instead.
The purposes of remixes is now much better served by the remix logos. If you want something professional-looking, use them. The purpose of "I want singular branding with a logo that's shared with every other generic remix who wants singular branding" is self-contradictory to the point of nonsense, and I as upstream am not interested in that case. If you want singular branding, do your own art. At this point, you are jumping up and down with an argument that your interpretation of the package's use case, and its suitablity for that, is better and more correct than upstream's interepretation. It's open source, you have the freedom to fork and prove your opinion's worth, rather than demanding in bugzilla that upstream is invalid and should accept your view. Frankly, taking the second tack is unlikely to be successful in *any* sense, no matter what the upstream. And, to be blunt: I am NOT going to add a Tux mockup to this. Period. (It's design policy in Fedora - no penguins, no hats.)
(In reply to comment #27) > No. It isn't working as designed. There is no reason to use a hotdog which > isn't normally used as any kind of placeholder artwork except for a few people > using it to promote it their pet codename. Actually, no. The hotdog artwork predates the codename by several years. > Don't keep closing this bug so > eagerly. The maintainer asked for a generic tux mockup and I have filed a > ticket to provide that. Leave it open till then. Sorry, no. This bug is filed against generic-logos; generic-logos a) will not be changed to suit the needs of people inexplicably offended by cartoon food (as per comment #28) and b) is still WORKING AS DESIGNED (as per comment #27). You've got a ticket to track the progress of your bland, meatless tux logos already. Follow that instead. > If you want to promote hot > dog images in Fedora, create a hotdog-logos package instead. Actually that's what plymouth-theme-hot-dog is for. See bug #687987. THANK YOU AND GOOD-NIGHT.
Created attachment 528276 [details] Smiley based theme Smileys are culture-neutral and penguin-free. The graphics is made by me.
Hi Pavel, > Smileys are culture-neutral I wish it were so. However: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4984138.stm
@Will Woods. Please stop closing this bug report. The hotdog comes from old RHL release and so does the codename. There is nothing inexplicable about why this is controversial. Look up beef and Hindus for instances. That's a billion plus population. If you want a placeholder image, pick a neutral image. This is a global project.
Rahul, please stop reopening this bug report. As has been explained to you several times by many people, this package is serving its purpose well and is not going to be changed. The cultural offense argument is bunk, anyway, as hot dogs can be made out of many things and in fact in the US are often made out of various questionably pig parts. Please try to not take this distribution thing so seriously.
Pig parts is offensive as well to many people (hint: Muslims). So the argument is not bunk at all but apparently I am not getting anywhere here. I don't understand how the insistence on using a hotdog makes any sense at all. why is anyone except the maintainer closing the bug report anyway? Don't do that. You have no business doing so. Why shouldn't I take the distribution thing seriously? I am spending all my time on it.