Bug 463023

Summary: scrolling in gnome-terminal causes flickering of the whole screen
Product: [Fedora] Fedora Reporter: Michal Schmidt <mschmidt>
Component: xorg-x11-drv-atiAssignee: Dave Airlie <airlied>
Status: CLOSED RAWHIDE QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance <extras-qa>
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Version: 11CC: behdad, ehabkost, honza, johannbg, me, phuang, samtygier, xgl-maint
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Description Michal Schmidt 2008-09-20 17:07:46 EDT
Created attachment 317292 [details]

Description of problem:
Scrolling text in gnome-terminal causes annoying flickering of the whole desktop. It's like if the whole picture moves a few pixels down, some additional black stripes appear randomly and then the screen is redrawn correctly. All of this happens in a small fraction of a second.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

How reproducible:
I can reproduce it at will.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Run gnome-terminal
2. vim some_long_text_file
3. hold the down or up arrow to scroll the text
Actual results:
About once every second the visible flicker occurs.

Expected results:
Scrolling in gnome-terminal should not have any effect outside of the window.

Additional info:

I have a Toshiba laptop with an ATI chip:
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f]

I do not have an xorg.conf, I let X autodetect everything.

While experimenting with this bug I discovered that it only happens with (the default) EXA acceleration method. Adding a xorg.conf with 'Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"' makes the bug go away.
Comment 1 Matěj Cepl 2008-09-22 10:53:06 EDT
Behdad, any thoughts? Or is it just pure our mess?
Comment 2 Behdad Esfahbod 2008-09-22 12:16:41 EDT
Sounds like X issues.  Very unlikely to be g-t.
Comment 3 Michal Schmidt 2008-09-23 08:27:56 EDT
I downloaded and installed an older version of the driver from Koji: xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.8.0-19.fc10.x86_64

The older version defaults to XAA, but when forced to use EXA with 'Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"', the same flickering happens.
Comment 4 Matěj Cepl 2008-09-24 18:20:23 EDT
And what about other way around? Using the latest -ati driver and put "AccelMethod" "XAA" into xorg.conf?
Comment 5 Michal Schmidt 2008-09-25 04:17:17 EDT
I wrote that in the original report. With the current driver version 'Option "AccelMethod""XAA"' makes the bug go away.

So no matter whether I use the old or the new driver version, EXA always flickers, XAA never does.
Comment 6 Michal Schmidt 2008-10-13 10:04:08 EDT
Still reproducible with xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-25.fc10.x86_64.

The flickering effect is best observed when cpufreq is set to a lower frequency (in my case 800 MHz). With the CPU running at full speed (2 GHz), the flickering is much less visible.

Also I noticed the flickering happens with other applications besides gnome-terminal. With gnome-terminal it's just the easiest to reproduce.
Comment 7 Jan Martinek 2008-10-28 11:00:18 EDT
On my computer (MB Asus M2A-VM with RS690), the flickering is visible only when the display is rotated to portrait mode using "xrandr -o left" AND the system is resumed from sleep mode.

After fresh boot, the flickering is barely visible. But after suspend/resume it becomes clearly noticeable and annoying even with CPU running at full 2.5 GHz. 

driver: xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-31.fc10.x86_64

Dmesg after wakeup shows this:
[drm] Loading RS690/RS740 Microcode
[drm] Num pipes: 1
Comment 8 Jan Martinek 2008-10-28 11:41:38 EDT
I just noticed that once the flickering starts (after resuming the computer from suspend), killing/restarting the X server does not help. I must reboot the machine to get rid of the flickering.
Comment 9 Bug Zapper 2008-11-25 22:09:29 EST
This bug appears to have been reported against 'rawhide' during the Fedora 10 development cycle.
Changing version to '10'.

More information and reason for this action is here:
Comment 10 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson 2008-12-01 06:35:49 EST
There have been bunch of bug fixes

Could you retest with the latest kernel 
( -132 at the time of this writing )

You can get the latest kernel build here

And with the latest xorg-x11-drv-ati. 
( -60 at the time of this writing )

You can get the latest xorg-x11-drv-ati build here

And report back if it either improves or fixes this issue..

Comment 11 Michal Schmidt 2008-12-01 10:55:00 EST
I have kernel kernel- (built myself from Fedora CVS) and xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-60. The bug is still there.
Comment 12 Michal Schmidt 2008-12-01 10:59:42 EST
Unlike Jan, I do not need to rotate the screen or suspend/resume to see the flickering. I am seeing the bug right after a fresh boot and without rotation.
Comment 13 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson 2008-12-02 03:27:43 EST

Which X server build are you using?

Update to the latest in koji, Let's see if that does some wonders..

Comment 14 Michal Schmidt 2008-12-02 04:47:25 EST
xorg-x11-server-1.5.3-5.fc10 (currently the latest) is the one in F10 GA, so I'm already running that one.
I have upgraded to xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.9.0-61.fc10 and kernel- and the bug is still present.
Comment 15 Michal Schmidt 2009-01-28 11:00:31 EST
Still trivially reproducible with:
Comment 16 Michal Schmidt 2009-03-26 12:47:09 EDT
I upgraded the laptop to Rawhide. I can still reproduce the flickering as described in my original report.

Comment 17 Sam Tygier 2009-06-15 11:56:29 EDT
seeing the same thing on a toshiba with
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
on fedora11

i have tried setting accelmethod to xaa, but i still get exa, and the flickering.
Comment 18 Michal Schmidt 2009-07-03 08:39:59 EDT
The flickering is still reproducible with current Fedora 11, both with or without KMS.

There's a bit of good news: current upstream xf86-video-ati from git master is not affected. Here's a scratch build for testing:
It has serious issues with modesetting enabled, but works fine with "nomodeset".
Comment 19 Eduardo Habkost 2009-08-08 19:48:25 EDT
Also reproduced here, on a Thinkpad T60 running Fedora 11, with modesetting disabled.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M52 [Mobility Radeon X1300] [1002:7149]

I am running xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.12.2-14.fc11.i586.

The problem was gone when using 'Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"'.
Comment 20 Michal Schmidt 2009-09-07 11:28:14 EDT
I cannot reproduce this in Rawhide, with or without KMS.
With KMS the scrolling is slow and far from smooth, but no flickering happens.

Comment 21 Ryan H. Lewis (rhl) 2010-03-31 18:59:34 EDT
I'm running F12 with fluxbox as my desktop manager and having the same problem when using gnome-terminal. I'm on all the latest updates from yum update 

Here is all the relevant package info NOTE-- I'm not using an ATI card at all:

lspci -v | fpaste

yum info vim* | fpaste

yum info xorg* | grep Name | fpaste

yum info xorg* | fpaste

I fix the issue by closing all my gnome-terminals and the problem goes away immediately.
Comment 22 Michal Schmidt 2010-04-01 08:53:53 EDT
issues like these are almost certainly hardware-specific and this BZ was about ATI, so please file a new bug and attach dmesg, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you use one) to it (directly to BZ, not via fpaste). Thank you.
Comment 23 Ryan H. Lewis (rhl) 2010-04-20 11:27:41 EDT
Created attachment 407847 [details]
rhl6856 xorg.0.log
Comment 24 Ryan H. Lewis (rhl) 2010-04-20 11:30:03 EDT
Created attachment 407848 [details]
rhl6856 xorg.conf
Comment 25 Ryan H. Lewis (rhl) 2010-04-20 11:31:01 EDT
alright done, 

dmesg | fpaste
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it doesn't seem like any of these things are producing relevant error text as the error is occuring.