Bug 54931
| Summary: | Total System freeze | ||
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| Product: | [Retired] Red Hat Linux | Reporter: | Need Real Name <steffen_mann> |
| Component: | kernel | Assignee: | Arjan van de Ven <arjanv> |
| Status: | CLOSED WORKSFORME | QA Contact: | Aaron Brown <abrown> |
| Severity: | high | Docs Contact: | |
| Priority: | medium | ||
| Version: | 7.2 | CC: | brackney, jeff_holdgate, menthos, redhat, unj |
| Target Milestone: | --- | ||
| Target Release: | --- | ||
| Hardware: | i686 | ||
| OS: | Linux | ||
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| Fixed In Version: | Doc Type: | Bug Fix | |
| Doc Text: | Story Points: | --- | |
| Clone Of: | Environment: | ||
| Last Closed: | 2003-06-07 18:53:32 UTC | Type: | --- |
| Regression: | --- | Mount Type: | --- |
| Documentation: | --- | CRM: | |
| Verified Versions: | Category: | --- | |
| oVirt Team: | --- | RHEL 7.3 requirements from Atomic Host: | |
| Cloudforms Team: | --- | Target Upstream Version: | |
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Description
Need Real Name
2001-10-23 11:20:37 UTC
System freezes pretty much have to be kernel or X problems. 1) which kernel (version, smp/up etc) 2) can you attach lspci output so I can get an idea what hardware is present I also have the same problem with RH 7.2 I suspected that it was GNOME who was freezing my system so I switched to KDE now it does not freeze anymore when I was using GNOME it used to freeze every few hours. I use IBM ThinkPad T20 2637 -s Hi, I have some more information about this bug. It is definitely related to GNOME somehow. When I start GNOME and then leave my computer for a few hours it _always_ freezes in a matter of hours. I can't even ping the computer. mouse and keyboard are dead. only rebooting the computer helps. on the other hand i used KDE for a few days and nights without shutting down the computer and I _never_ had any problems with it. I will attach my lspci thanks it is an IBM Thinkpad T20 2647 RR3 laptop. 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:02.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 09) 00:03.1 Serial controller: Xircom: Unknown device 000c 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) 00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01) 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/MX-/IX (rev 11) I am using kernel-2.4.9-7.i686 .rpm Same here on a Compaq Deskpro with same kernel. X is running, but just the login screen is present, all activity was on text consoles. Freeze appens from a few minutes to a few hours after startup and with almost no disk activity. I have had this problem too. I use GNOME. When it freezes I cannot do anything at all and the system stops responding to both local events and network requests, including ping. The only remedy is to do a hard reboot by pressing the reset switch or (if sysrq is on) pressing Alt-Sysrq-B. I am running a PII 450 with 128 MB of RAM and a RIVA TNT 16MB video card. I was running kernel 2.4.9-7, and am now running 2.4.9-13. The problem happens with both kernel versions. I have been running all previous versions of RedHat since 6.2 and have not seen this problem since I have upgraded to 7.2. I think there are different bugs listed here, but I found the solution to the system freeze which happens under GNOME. After I disabled xscreensaver my system stopped to freeze. So the system freeze is somehow connected to xscreensaver package. I think the status of this bug has to be changed. I don't think that xscreensaver is the issue. It freezes even without it running. It tends to freeze for me when I am in Mozilla (although this may be coincidental because I use Mozilla a lot. It never happens when I am not using the computer, always when I am active. I have just installed Red Hat 7.2 on my Compaq Presario laptop. I got the freezing problem too, but mine appears to be more fundamental than an X problem. Shortly after booting into text mode (before going in to X) I'll get a Kernel panic with a message something like: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer deference at virtual address 00000028 then some kind of a dump followed by a freeze This appears to happen at some arbitary time after booting, and some of the message scrolls off. I think it may have something to do with virtual memory David I am having the very same problem on an Athlon system. It was suggested that I try adding the 'noathlon' kernel option. Everyone who has an Athlon should try that too, maybe it will fix the problem. To add the option edit your /etc/grub.conf file and add the word 'noathlon' without the quotes at the end of the 'kernel' line. Crap, it didn't work. System crashes again after 20 minutes, even with the noathlon option. :( Check out this thread - it looks like for me at least it could be a problem with linux trying to find the cache size, etc for my processor (AMD Duron). Exactly the same problem http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.1/0125.html I have this problem (or something very like it) If I run Gnome I get a system freeze if I open a shell window. If I run KDE I get a system freeze if I resize a shell window. The system also freezes randomly with no apparent cause that I can determine. The two actions above will freeze it everytime however. Ah! I think I've solved it for my machine anyway. Some browsing on the web indicated the problem could be with the AMD Duron chip in my machine, and the solution worked for me. Here is what to do: 1. In GRUB, type e to edit the script and add: x86_serial_nr=1 noathlon=1 to the end of the kernel line. 2. Boot up 3. Make the same change in /etc/grub.conf Hope it works for you too! Now just got to get my modem and soundcard working... David Try to hashmark the DRI section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Should help. Steffen Well, I am using an Intel PIII 600/750 Speed Step. Red Hat 7.2 On a Dell Inspirion 7500. Only lockup I have noticed is when I try to record a CD with Firwire drive. I am using the IEEE ohci and SBP2 modules. THats for my Firewire hard drive and Firewire Lacie 24 speed burner. Anyhow when I go to record with X-CD-Toast My system freezes right at the point when it sais "OCP". I guess when it si optically algining the lazer or whatever. Once that starts then my system freezes. Adaptec Card bus firewire card SIIG Card Bus Firewire card Adaptec 1460 16 bit PCMCIA card Adaptec 1480 Card bus card For the last two cards I tried a SCSI burner and really did not experience a freeze but I cannot burn a CD without a coaster. From my experience with Red Hat 7.1 and Ximian' gnome and Nautilus I had expereinced many problems but not a total lockdown. I sitll see problems with MICE to. I have to killl Xserve to stop the mouse form goin nuts. MS mouse PS2 3 button and MS Mouse Intellimouse LED. Hope that helps a little noathlon and latest errata kernel do not resolve the problem! Still freezes no messages in /var/log/messages ide=nodma is not beeing an option as this system using an Symbios Sym 21002 SCSI U2W controller. System completely updated! Any suggestions? Steffen Mann After upgrading to 7.2 my system also freezes after an unspecified amount of time, could be 2 mins. or 1 day. I didn't have any problems using the same motherboard (but with a few different components) under 7.0. Some details: it happens more frequently under GNOME than under KDE, but it still can happen under KDE. It has happened with the 2.4.9-13 kernel and the stock 7.2 kernel. It has happened with 2 different network cards (a 3com 509B and a 3com 595) and 2 different sound cards (ensoniq CT5880 and an onboard VIA card). All hardware is RH-7.2 certified to the best of my knowledge. I thought it might somehow be related to both ACPI and APM being enabled in the BIOS (the default for my motherboard) but I had the crash again after disabling ACPI. I have reinstalled 7.2 with ACPI disabled when I installed (it was enabled previously), and we'll see if that fixes the problem. Here is my lspci: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C691 [Apollo PRO] (rev 44) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 22) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 10) 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 10) 00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 10) 00:07.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30) 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq CT5880 [AudioPCI] (rev 02) 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c595 100BaseTX [Vortex] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01) I've now tried 7.2 under VMWARE. To run linux under VMWARE, you have to replace the RH X Server with a version from VMWARE. The systems freeze bug does not occur with the 7.2/VMWARE combination. This points strongly to the X server being at fault. I have realized that the only time that this bug occurs is when I am running, exiting, or minimizing Mozilla. Once I switched to Pine as an e-mail client, the freezes were greatly minimized in occurance. It can't be just Mozilla's fault; since everything freezes, even the network. Maybe it's something to do with Mozilla and X or the kernel? This is most likely related to the recently discovered AMD/Kernel2.4/AGP bug documented on Slashdot and Newsforge earlier in the week. I've been struggling w/ seemingly random hard lockups ever since I upgraded to RH7.2 w/ the 2.4.x kernel. I've not submitted any bug reports because I couldn't recreate the problem reliably. The problem is NOT Mozilla-specific. I've had crashes with and without Mozilla running, and it's been triggered by actions in Opera, red- carpet, XMAME, MATLAB, Abiword, and a number of other applications on multiple machines. (I have a total of 4 identically configured RH7.2/Athlon 1.4 GHz/Asus A7A systems.) I hope that a 2.4 kernel patch will be made available promptly by Redhat. It's probably not related to any AMD processor bug since it happens on Intel processor systems too, which I can testify myself and others have reported in the report already. Not a chipset problem either, I have replaced the previous Intel BX chipset motherboard with an Intel i815 chipset-based one and the lockups still occur. The only thing that I have tried that solves the problem is removing the SoundBlaster Live! card (with or without replacing it with another different sound card). Pretty much everything else in the computer is also new and replaced. Switching to KDE completely fixes it for me. It must be something related to GNOME. I've noticed the same problem. My system was rock-solid under RH 7.1; It literally ran for months. After upgrading to 7.2 it started locking intermittently. I completely wiped the drives and did a fresh install . . . same problem. I changed my motherboard from an unapproved "Boardrunner" to an Epox (same VIA chipset). . . same problem. Since my new motherboard had sound, I removed the (much superior) Soundblaster Live! card and enabled the onboard sound. Problem solved. Now I have a rock-solid system with less-than-desireable sound. Has to be the Soundblaster Live! and RH 7.2 combination. By the way, I have only has success on one old system with the "noathlon" boot option, and when I upgraded the BIOS on that system, the "noathlon" option was no longer required. Interesting, I have a SB Live! too, so maybe for me it's a combination of that and RH 7.2 and GNOME. Removing any one of the last two seems to fix the problem, and of the three, the one that I am most willing to part with is GNOME. I was having the same problem with my computer. I found out there was a bug with the default kernel driver for SoundBlaster Live! cards (bug 57564). The latest kernel packages (2.4.9-21 and later) come with an experimental driver for these cards. Switching to the experimental driver from the default driver has fixed this problem for me. I know this would affect systems with audio cards that are members of the SoundBlaster Live! family as well as the SoundBlaster PCI 512, sind they use the same chip. I do not know if it affects any other cards. Please refer to the bug for more details. I hope this helps. I'm using a Duron on an SiS mainboard. Whenever I compile a kernel (2.4.18 in this case) while running the stock RedHat-7.2 kernel (2.4.7-10), the system hangs and requires a hard reboot. I'm using gcc-2.95.98 and grabbed the kernel source from kernel.org. So, I tried building 2.4.18 on a different RH 7.2 machine with Intel processors and it worked fine. I'm running that on the Duron box now and no more hangs, but I do get a segfault whenever I compile the 2.4.18 kernel. The output of lspci for the Duron box is below: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0735 (rev 01) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5591/5592 AGP 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 85C503/5513 00:02.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) 00:02.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 07) 00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0) 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 7012 (rev a0) 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 90) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]: Unknown device 0300 (rev 90) Wow. /me is amazed with the amount of people who have added themselves to this report with a me-too and totally different hardware, when it is probably an S3 Savage driver bug. ;o) So, does this problem still occur in RHL 7.2 with all of the latest erratum applied, including the kernel? What about with RHL 7.3 (if you've tested it by chance)? No reply on RH 7.3 query - closing |