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Bug 1060328

Summary:	Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed
Product:	[Retired] Fedora Documentation	Reporter:	Toby Ovod-Everett <toby>
Component:	release-notes	Assignee:	Release Notes Tracker <relnotes>
Status:	CLOSED NEXTRELEASE	QA Contact:	Fedora Docs QA <docs-qa>
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Version:	devel	CC:	me, relnotes, wb8rcr, zach
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Description Toby Ovod-Everett 2014-01-31 19:47:12 UTC

Description of problem:

The Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed (section 2.8.1) during normal installs.  It appears, according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSyslog, that it got moved from @core to @standard.  However, I suspect that a lot of users will do installs that include @standard, and as a result they will get rsyslog installed and perhaps be confused as to why they got it when the Release Notes imply it is no longer included.  I can confirm that the repodata/ac802acf81ab55a0eca1fe5d1222bd15b8fab45d302dfdf4e626716d374b6a64-Fedora-20-comps.xml file on the x86_64 install DVD contains rsyslog in the @standard package group.

Also, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSendmail implies that sendmail got moved from @core to @standard, whereas it appears to me that it actually got removed from both of them (at least I can't find it anywhere in the comps.xml file).

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): Fedora 20 x86_64 DVD.

Comment 1 Pete Travis 2014-12-06 18:18:00 UTC

There are lots of ways that a user could end up with these packages, even after the transition that excludes them from the *mandated* list of packages.  I agree that we could have explained it better, or at least linked to the Change pages.  

Talking about 'default' is a risky thing with Fedora installations, especially in the fedora.next world.  We'll be more careful about that going forward.