Description of problem: The Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed (section 2.8.1) during normal installs. It appears, according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSyslog, that it got moved from @core to @standard. However, I suspect that a lot of users will do installs that include @standard, and as a result they will get rsyslog installed and perhaps be confused as to why they got it when the Release Notes imply it is no longer included. I can confirm that the repodata/ac802acf81ab55a0eca1fe5d1222bd15b8fab45d302dfdf4e626716d374b6a64-Fedora-20-comps.xml file on the x86_64 install DVD contains rsyslog in the @standard package group. Also, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSendmail implies that sendmail got moved from @core to @standard, whereas it appears to me that it actually got removed from both of them (at least I can't find it anywhere in the comps.xml file). Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): Fedora 20 x86_64 DVD.
There are lots of ways that a user could end up with these packages, even after the transition that excludes them from the *mandated* list of packages. I agree that we could have explained it better, or at least linked to the Change pages. Talking about 'default' is a risky thing with Fedora installations, especially in the fedora.next world. We'll be more careful about that going forward.