Bug 1060328 - Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed
Summary: Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed
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Status: CLOSED NEXTRELEASE
Alias: None
Product: Fedora Documentation
Classification: Fedora
Component: release-notes
Version: devel
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Linux
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Assignee: Release Notes Tracker
QA Contact: Fedora Docs QA
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Reported: 2014-01-31 19:47 UTC by Toby Ovod-Everett
Modified: 2014-12-06 18:18 UTC (History)
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Last Closed: 2014-12-06 18:18:00 UTC
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Description Toby Ovod-Everett 2014-01-31 19:47:12 UTC
Description of problem:

The Fedora 20 Release Notes imply that rsyslog is no longer installed (section 2.8.1) during normal installs.  It appears, according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSyslog, that it got moved from @core to @standard.  However, I suspect that a lot of users will do installs that include @standard, and as a result they will get rsyslog installed and perhaps be confused as to why they got it when the Release Notes imply it is no longer included.  I can confirm that the repodata/ac802acf81ab55a0eca1fe5d1222bd15b8fab45d302dfdf4e626716d374b6a64-Fedora-20-comps.xml file on the x86_64 install DVD contains rsyslog in the @standard package group.

Also, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Changes/NoDefaultSendmail implies that sendmail got moved from @core to @standard, whereas it appears to me that it actually got removed from both of them (at least I can't find it anywhere in the comps.xml file).

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): Fedora 20 x86_64 DVD.

Comment 1 Pete Travis 2014-12-06 18:18:00 UTC
There are lots of ways that a user could end up with these packages, even after the transition that excludes them from the *mandated* list of packages.  I agree that we could have explained it better, or at least linked to the Change pages.  

Talking about 'default' is a risky thing with Fedora installations, especially in the fedora.next world.  We'll be more careful about that going forward.


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