Bug 137757 - updates to /etc/X11/xorg.conf sometimes require logout, sometimes reboot
Summary: updates to /etc/X11/xorg.conf sometimes require logout, sometimes reboot
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Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: xorg-x11 (Show other bugs)
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Version: 2
Hardware: i686 Linux
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Assignee: X/OpenGL Maintenance List
QA Contact: David Lawrence
Keywords: FutureFeature
Depends On:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2004-11-01 02:48 UTC by Andrew D. Stadler
Modified: 2007-11-30 22:10 UTC (History)
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Last Closed: 2004-11-24 13:00:49 UTC
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Description Andrew D. Stadler 2004-11-01 02:48:30 UTC
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Description of problem:
Changes made via editing x11 setup file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf)
inconsistently require logout sometimes, reboot other times.  In my
specific case, I am hand-editing my file to change "LeftOf" to
"RightOf" (since s-c-d doesn't do this yet).  Usually, I simply
logout/login to affect this change, but sometimes it forces me to
reboot the machine just to accept this change.  Why isn't the file
being consistently re-read on the logout / login sequence?

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

How reproducible:

Steps to Reproduce:
1.  Use s-c-d to configure dual head w/Xinerama
2.  Closing s-c-d, you get a note that you'll need to logout login to
see the changes
3.  Logout, login 
4.  Oops, you forgot to change LeftOf to RightOf so you edit
/etc/X11/xorg.conf, make the change, : w q
5.  Logout, login

Actual Results:  Usually, the logout/login has the desired affect, but
about 10-20% of the time, no amount of logout/login will do it, and
you are forced to restart the entire PC to see the change.

Expected Results:  Screens swap sides to correct orientation 

Additional info:

Comment 1 Kristian Høgsberg 2004-11-03 18:07:33 UTC
This is indeed something we would like to clear up.  Ideally you
should never have to restart the X server, and your changes should
take effect immediately.  However it is a significant amount of work
to realize this, which will have to take place upstream in the X.org
forum (http://xorg.freedesktop.org).

The current behaviour is not a bug as such, more a limitation of the
X.org server architechture.  I'm changing the severity of the bug to

Comment 2 Andrew D. Stadler 2004-11-23 18:38:59 UTC
Just to clarify:  The problem I was seeing is that sometimes even a logout-login (which 
does appear to restart X) was picking up the changes, and sometimes it wasn't.  The 
problem I'm reporting here is that there's some sort of weird inconsistency in the way it 
picks up new values.   (e.g. hidden caching?  not always restarting?)

So I would claim that this is not an enhancement but a real bug.  Meanwhile,I would be 
happy to file a separate enhancement request for dynamic changes (although I would 
imagine you already have one in the system) - let me know if you would like such a 
request entered as well.

Comment 3 Mike A. Harris 2004-11-24 13:00:49 UTC
The X server reads the config file exactly once during server
startup.  It parses the entire file, and sets internal variables,
etc.  Once that is done, the X server never looks at the config
file again during runtime ever.

If you make changes to the X server config file, you absolutely
must restart the X server in order for them to take effect, as
that is the only time that the X server looks at the config file.

Wether you reboot the entire system, or just restart the X server
itself, doesn't matter.  The important thing is that the running
X server process must terminate, and then a new X server process
must be restarted.  That can be done by quitting out of a
startx initiated session, and then re-running startx, or it
can be done by hitting CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to kill the server and
then restart it manually if you're not using gdm or something
else that restarts it automatically.

This is not a bug in the X server.  It is designed to read the
config file exactly once when the server starts, and never to
look at it again.

Having explained that however, I will agree with you completely
that it would be an excellent feature enhancement for the X server
to be able to re-read the config file at runtime on the fly some
day, and I believe that is an eventual goal of the X.Org project
to some day make the server capable of doing that.

It is not a simple hack to make the server re-read the config
file at runtime however, and so it will only occur once it has
been implemented by X.Org developers in the upstream official
X.Org source code repository and is an official feature in a
new X.Org release.

Any perceived inconsistency you appear to be seeing is not an
X server bug, but may perhaps be a misunderstanding for how
the system starts up and manages the X server.  If you make
changes to the X server config file and they do not take effect,
then the X server did not get killed and restarted.  You must
kill the X server first.  I'm not entirely sure, but I think
the display manager just reuses the same X server for multiple
logins and does not restart it by default.  I think that might
be a configureable option in gdm however.

Setting status to "NOTABUG" as per explanation above on how
the server reads the config file.  For the feature enhancement
of making the server read the config file at runtime, that
will happen upstream by X.org eventually, so I don't think there
is any real value in filing a separate bug report for it, as
it isn't that beneficial to track it in bugzilla IMHO.

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