Bug 1435506

Petr, is this still an issue on the latest docs.fp.o site?

(In reply to Paul W. Frields from comment #1)
> Petr, is this still an issue on the latest docs.fp.o site?

Still true for me in a Firefox private window. For the second search the Fedora 16 URL is down to the third result, the second result is now "Removing Packages - Fedora Documentation" for Fedora 23, which reached EOL in 2016. It looks exactly the same as the Fedora 16 result, both have the green breadcrumb
  https://docs.fedoraproject.org › en-US › Fedora › html › sec-Removing
What's sad is when you follow these old URLs, the left-hand nav only offers up to Fedora 26. There's no obvious way to find documentation for current supported Fedora.

So here are more suggestions:
* Change the <title> to "xyz - Fedora 23 Documentation" or "xyz - Fedora 30 Docs Site" instead of making users scan the URL (which is hard on a phone).
* Maybe there's some way to include the version in the green breadcrumb that Google shows.
* Nuke the entire Fedora Documentation tree that only has versions up to 26! If there's any value at all to this old documentation you can point users to the Internet Archive's Wayback machine ( https://web.archive.org/web/20160515102459/https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/System_Administrators_Guide/index.html ) or if you must a separate docs-obsolete.fedoraproject.org.

Hello,

Yes, I see similar results in Google, "list+of+files+in+RPM+package" is in 5th place in a private window, not first, but it's still the top hit for docs.fp.o. We've had this kind of problem before, although this is the first time I see Google prioritizing Romanian over English, previous reports were only about landing at outdated but still English docs.

This is kind of a long running problem with no easy solutions besides just removing old docs altogether. Good point with the Internet Archive; I actually never thought of that.

Docs for Fedora up to version 26 were built using an old system which is unmaintained, and the way it worked actually prevents us from making *any* updates other than running a script to insert something into each page. Basically we can't rebuild the site, we can only edit the built sources; the reasons for that are complicated. I do think we might be able to fix the headers, though, and I think we should try to find a way to insert a big red banner into each page saying "this is really outdated, go to docs.fp.o". I don't think noting the version in the page title would be enough because neither mobile Firefox nor Chrome display the page title as you browse, only in the tab list...

Anyway, for 27 and later, on our new system, we have more control over the content and we could probably handle this properly with a separate UI layout for EOLed versions that has a similar banner.

The problem is that the person who does the most work on the site and who could fix this the easiest is only rarely available to take on a bigger task like this one, so it's stalled. I'll talk to him and see if we can get this done in some reasonable timeframe. I absolutely agree that it's a problem.

Oh and the open issues are here:
* https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/docs-fp-o/issue/118 (for pre-27 docs)
* https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/docs-fp-o/issue/116 (27 and later)

I linked your bug report in the pre-27 one and I'll close this if you don't mind, we're using Pagure issues nowadays. (Closing down the whole Fedora Docs product category here in Bugzilla is also something I should get around to soon...)

Cheers,
Petr

FYI, I think someone changed https://docs.fedoraproject.org/robots.txt to add
  Disallow: /*/Fedora*/
so few or no old obsolete doc pages now show up in Google search results \o/. I still think you should just nuke the entire tree.