Bug 1641606 - Scrollbars broken after upgrade (arrow buttons missing, unable to scroll)
Summary: Scrollbars broken after upgrade (arrow buttons missing, unable to scroll)
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Status: CLOSED UPSTREAM
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: gtk3
Version: 34
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
unspecified
high
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Matthias Clasen
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
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Blocks:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2018-10-22 10:27 UTC by Basic Six
Modified: 2023-04-13 21:54 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Last Closed: 2021-12-22 14:29:51 UTC
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Example #1 broken scrollbars (25.96 KB, image/png)
2018-10-22 10:27 UTC, Basic Six
no flags Details
Example #2 broken scrollbars (31.21 KB, image/png)
2018-10-22 10:27 UTC, Basic Six
no flags Details
still unable to scroll (11.97 KB, image/png)
2020-06-19 15:44 UTC, Basic Six
no flags Details


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System ID Private Priority Status Summary Last Updated
Red Hat Bugzilla 2186628 0 unspecified CLOSED Fedora + KDE desktop + GTK application: Broken scrollbars make it impossible to resize area in graphics editor 2024-01-15 12:09:53 UTC

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Description Basic Six 2018-10-22 10:27:14 UTC
Created attachment 1496341 [details]
Example #1 broken scrollbars

Description of problem:

The scrollbars are broken after an upgrade.

First and foremost, the arrow buttons are missing, so it's not possible anymore to slowly scroll through a document to read it.

Clicking ("the through") between the thumb and the (missing) array buttons to scroll one screenful is broken too because it jumps all the way to where the cursor is instead of just one screenful. It's literally impossible to navigate through a document like that, without working scrollbars.



Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

-



How reproducible:

Most applications affected. Chromium is an exception.



Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open a large document. Scrollbars appear (or not: Pluma).
2. Try to work with that document, search for something in the middle or something.
3. Downgrade or install Windows to get scrollbars.



Actual results:

- Arrow buttons missing
- Clicking through to scroll a screenful not working anymore
- In Pluma, for example, the sliders disappear, you get lost



Expected results:

I need scrollbars to work.



Additional info:

It appears the scrollbars have morphed into simple sliders, like those on smartphones. However, this is about computers, not about phones. Having to work with large documents without scrollbars is dreadful.

Using the arrow keys on the keyboard isn't an alternative either, which (I hope) should be obvious if you look at the attached example screenshot. First of all, you have to change the focus for that, which you may not want to do in split windows. In text editors, you'd have to carefully select whichever line happens to be in the viewport and click on another one whenever you've reached the end of the current line, like in screenshot #2.
Also, just imagine what it feels like to use these sliders: You can't keep scrolling, so you click on a line to set the cursor (screenshot #2: line 281) and hold the (right) arrow key. That's very slow, you'd normally want to scroll a screenful or two until you reach a section that you want to read, where you'd scroll by holding the arrow buttons if they weren't missing. At some point, you'll reach the end of the line at which point you go flying back all the way to the left (if you're still holding the right arrow key).

It seems like someone had to change a design by removing features, as it happens so often. Even Windows still has working scrollbars nowadays. And Chromium isn't affected either as it has its own scrollbars.

Comment 1 Basic Six 2018-10-22 10:27:33 UTC
Created attachment 1496342 [details]
Example #2 broken scrollbars

Comment 2 Paul Howarth 2018-10-22 10:51:55 UTC
Scrollbars haven't changed in gtk1. Given that pluma is a gtk3 application, I guess you mean scrollbars are broken in gtk3 - reassigning.

Comment 3 Ben Cotton 2019-05-02 20:36:25 UTC
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On 2019-May-28 Fedora will stop maintaining and issuing updates for
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Comment 4 Basic Six 2019-05-07 12:50:09 UTC
I'd highly appreciate any explanation how I'm supposed to scroll, see screenshot #2.

Comment 5 Ben Cotton 2020-04-30 22:04:09 UTC
This message is a reminder that Fedora 30 is nearing its end of life.
Fedora will stop maintaining and issuing updates for Fedora 30 on 2020-05-26.
It is Fedora's policy to close all bug reports from releases that are no longer
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Comment 6 Ben Cotton 2020-05-26 15:09:35 UTC
Fedora 30 changed to end-of-life (EOL) status on 2020-05-26. Fedora 30 is
no longer maintained, which means that it will not receive any further
security or bug fix updates. As a result we are closing this bug.

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Comment 7 Basic Six 2020-06-19 15:44:54 UTC
Created attachment 1698114 [details]
still unable to scroll

It's still not possible to scroll (screenshot showing Firefox in Fedora Linux).

To be absolutely clear: Not being able to scroll is *not* a matter of taste. Scrolling is a basic feature of graphical desktops which has been available since the 90s! And for some strange reason, this basic gui feature was removed from Fedora Linux.

I would like to talk to the person who broke the scrollbars and ask them how I should now work with documents (yes, I actually work, I don't have anything to "swipe" away).

Comment 8 Fedora Program Management 2021-04-29 16:50:22 UTC
This message is a reminder that Fedora 32 is nearing its end of life.
Fedora will stop maintaining and issuing updates for Fedora 32 on 2021-05-25.
It is Fedora's policy to close all bug reports from releases that are no longer
maintained. At that time this bug will be closed as EOL if it remains open with a
Fedora 'version' of '32'.

Package Maintainer: If you wish for this bug to remain open because you
plan to fix it in a currently maintained version, simply change the 'version' 
to a later Fedora version.

Thank you for reporting this issue and we are sorry that we were not 
able to fix it before Fedora 32 is end of life. If you would still like 
to see this bug fixed and are able to reproduce it against a later version 
of Fedora, you are encouraged  change the 'version' to a later Fedora 
version prior this bug is closed as described in the policy above.

Although we aim to fix as many bugs as possible during every release's 
lifetime, sometimes those efforts are overtaken by events. Often a 
more recent Fedora release includes newer upstream software that fixes 
bugs or makes them obsolete.

Comment 9 David King 2021-12-22 14:29:51 UTC
This is an upstream behaviour change, but certain parts of it can be overridden by the user, theme and/or application developer. The GtkScrolledWindow documentation has some more information:

https://developer-old.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkScrolledWindow.html

As for clicking on a scrollbar to scroll by a "page", that can be accomplished with a right-click in the trough.


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