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Bug 1726656 - top-bar: Drop ApplicationMenu tweak
Summary: top-bar: Drop ApplicationMenu tweak
Keywords:
Status: CLOSED ERRATA
Alias: None
Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8
Classification: Red Hat
Component: gnome-tweaks
Version: 8.1
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
unspecified
unspecified
Target Milestone: rc
: 8.0
Assignee: Milan Crha
QA Contact: Desktop QE
URL:
Whiteboard:
Depends On:
Blocks: 1678350
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2019-07-03 11:21 UTC by Martin Krajnak
Modified: 2020-11-14 11:56 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

Fixed In Version: gnome-tweaks-3.28.1-6.el8
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Last Closed: 2019-11-05 22:14:33 UTC
Type: Bug
Target Upstream Version:
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Attachments (Terms of Use)
Menu item are gone (72.26 KB, image/png)
2019-07-04 08:53 UTC, Martin Krajnak
no flags Details


Links
System ID Private Priority Status Summary Last Updated
GNOME Gitlab GNOME/gnome-tweaks/issues/204 0 None None None 2019-07-04 10:12:01 UTC
Red Hat Product Errata RHSA-2019:3553 0 None None None 2019-11-05 22:14:44 UTC

Description Martin Krajnak 2019-07-03 11:21:34 UTC
Description of problem:
App menus are in window (and panel) by default, toggling the option requires log out and is quite useless since e.g. in gnome-software you have only one way to access the Sources window and that is through that menu.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
gnome-tweaks-3.28.1-5.el8.noarch

How reproducible:
always

Steps to Reproduce:
1.Run Tweaks
2.Click Top Bar 
3.Toggle the option

Actual results:
App menu completely disappears and user is forced to logout to see the effect of the option

Expected results:
No option

Additional info:

Comment 1 Milan Crha 2019-07-03 16:32:03 UTC
It's pretty easy to hide the option in gnome-tweaks, but:
a) what if someone has it changed and would like to revert his/her decision? Where they will find it, especially when they know where it was when they've changed it the last time?
b) the gnome-software argument is kind of void for me, because 1) it's a problem of gnome-software, not of the gnome-tweaks, nor of the option itself; 2) the current state of the half-rebased desktop causes similar problems (the gnome-software-3.32.3-1 in Fedora 30 has this done better, the mentioned Repositories is always accessible, regardless whether the application menu is on or off);
c) the gnome-tweaks-3.32.0 still has the option, I would not diverge from the upstream version in this way, that may lead to confusion only, thus be counter-productive.

I'm not Nack-ing this yet, I'm open for discussion.

Comment 2 Tomas Pelka 2019-07-03 18:17:48 UTC
Maybe we can propose rebasing gnome-software anf gnome-tweaks in 8.2.

Comment 3 Martin Krajnak 2019-07-04 08:39:18 UTC
(In reply to Milan Crha from comment #1)
> It's pretty easy to hide the option in gnome-tweaks, but:
> a) what if someone has it changed and would like to revert his/her decision?
> Where they will find it, especially when they know where it was when they've
> changed it the last time?

Not sure if I follow, the option is not reverting the menu to the top panel,
so even if someone wanted to move the menu back all he can see is:
a menu item with the name of the application
a menu item Show Details which opens gnome-software page of the application
a Quit menu item

So user is basically restricting himself from all other menu options,
I'll attach the screenshot for more, I just thing it might be confusing.

> b) the gnome-software argument is kind of void for me, because 1) it's a
> problem of gnome-software, not of the gnome-tweaks, nor of the option
> itself;

It's problem of all apps that have app menus including Tweaks, disabling it 
hiding two menu items in tweaks:
Reset To Defaults
Disable ALL Shell Extensions

In baobab:
Help
About

So I am not throwing the blame on tweaks but unfortunately the option can be disabled there.

 2) the current state of the half-rebased desktop causes similar
> problems (the gnome-software-3.32.3-1 in Fedora 30 has this done better, the
> mentioned Repositories is always accessible, regardless whether the
> application menu is on or off);

Agree, but currently I am not seeing other solution than Comment 2.

> c) the gnome-tweaks-3.32.0 still has the option, I would not diverge from
> the upstream version in this way, that may lead to confusion only, thus be
> counter-productive.

Agree, what I was thinking was hiding/disabling the option but that might lead to more
bug reports. So, if we decide to leave it like this we should make sure that's documented.
A point here is that if someone will play with his tweaks not realizing what is the 
effect of the option is and restricting yourself from those options.

> I'm not Nack-ing this yet, I'm open for discussion.

I don't know either what the best solution here would be, as you pointed out diverging from
the upstream is not good. I'll go maybe back for disabling the option, what do you think ?

Regarding the upstream, how it's working there ? is it moving all menu items to the top ?

Comment 4 Martin Krajnak 2019-07-04 08:53:58 UTC
Created attachment 1587321 [details]
Menu item are gone

Comment 5 Martin Krajnak 2019-07-04 09:03:51 UTC
Btw looks like upstream has problem with this as well https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-tweaks/issues/204

Comment 7 Jiri Koten 2019-07-04 09:29:38 UTC
To clarify this request, we believe the option is obsoleted by gnome-shell 3.32 where the "application menu" in top bar is gone and moving the contents to a primary menu located within the application window. 

As confirmed by Florian in the upstream Issue, "the gross hack from the Tweaks option no longer works, so the UI should be dropped."

Also as Martin mentioned if you enable the option in Tweaks with gnome-shell 3.32 you can loose access to application menu all-together, which we see as potential risk to users.

Therefor we would like to hide the option from Tweaks as it no longer brings any benefit, as the menu is already within the window anyway and can cause potential confusion.

Comment 8 Milan Crha 2019-07-04 09:52:19 UTC
Okay, I'd ask Allen Day, the GNOME designer, or something like that, because I'm rather confused with all those app menu, hamburger menu, whatever menu terminology, but if the upstream says drop it, then let's drop it.

Comment 10 Martin Krajnak 2019-07-04 10:33:11 UTC
Thanks for the quick fix Milan,

Option is now gone
gnome-tweaks-3.28.1-6.el8.noarch

Comment 12 errata-xmlrpc 2019-11-05 22:14:33 UTC
Since the problem described in this bug report should be
resolved in a recent advisory, it has been closed with a
resolution of ERRATA.

For information on the advisory, and where to find the updated
files, follow the link below.

If the solution does not work for you, open a new bug report.

https://access.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2019:3553


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