Bug 1889883 - Obsolete texlive-obsolete
Summary: Obsolete texlive-obsolete
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: texlive
Version: rawhide
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Tom "spot" Callaway
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
Depends On:
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Reported: 2020-10-20 19:27 UTC by Miroslav Suchý
Modified: 2020-10-23 19:08 UTC (History)
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Last Closed: 2020-10-23 19:08:17 UTC
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Description Miroslav Suchý 2020-10-20 19:27:48 UTC
Description of problem:
In Fedora, we have package fedora-obsoletes-package which obsoletes all obsoleted packages.
It would be nice if fedora-obsoletes-package can obsolete texlive-obsolete package. This way it will be never actually installed, but still obsolete all obsoleted texlive packages.
However, there is one problem. The main package requires texlive-obsolete, which would broke the deps.

Can you remove this require and then submit PR to fedora-obsoletes-package that you want to obsolete texlive-obsolete?

Comment 1 Tom "spot" Callaway 2020-10-23 15:47:06 UTC
I'm not opposed to this, but all the macro logic in fedora-obsolete-packages assumes a versioned obsoletes, and this wouldn't really apply to texlive-obsoletes (it also would never time out like the existing obsoletes). Let me know precisely how you would like to do this (or better yet, just go ahead and commit it the way you think is best).

I've removed the Requires: texlive-obsolete from texlive-2020-29.fc34 (building now in rawhide: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=54052981)

Comment 2 Tom "spot" Callaway 2020-10-23 15:48:06 UTC
The correct name for the obsolete metapackage in texlive is "texlive-obsolete". Sorry for the typo in Comment #1.

Comment 3 Jason Tibbitts 2020-10-23 18:02:40 UTC
Honestly I don't know what actually happens if you have a package that obsoletes a package that obsoletes a bunch of packages.  And how that interacts with the "magic" state of fedora-obsolete-packages that causes it to not actually ever be installed.  The correct behavior isn't entirely obvious.

The macro stuff is just there for convenience, and if something else is needed then it could be used.  But the macro logic is also a reflection of an important point: You should always be able to install one of these old packages if you're willing to do the work to get them to build.  The only requirement is bumping the package release to avoid it being obsoleted.  We view pulling packages from a user's system to be a rather big deal, and want to avoid anything which simply prevents someone from installing a package simply based on its name.

If texlive-obsoletes has a different philosophy then I would suggest it just be maintained separately.  I don't believe anything prevents us from having more than one "obsoleter" package.  I don't think anything would prevent it from acquiring the same "never gets installed" magic that fedora-obsolete-packages has, which is nothing more than providing "libsolv-self-destruct-pkg()".

Alternately, if the "versioned obsolete" arrangement would be acceptable, then we would be happy to roll the texlive packages into f-o-p.

Comment 4 Tom "spot" Callaway 2020-10-23 18:46:21 UTC
There are versioned obsoletes for most (all?) of the texlive-obsolete bits. I think what I will do (in rawhide) is move them over into fedora-obsolete-packages for consistency and simplicity.

Since I plan to use this BZ ticket for the reference, here are all the fun obsoletes that are moving over (and can die off with Fedora 35):

texlive-aecc 9:svn28574.1.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-afm 9:2020-30
texlive-alterqcm 9:svn51446.obsolete-9000
texlive-babel-spanglish 9:svn37629.0.3.obsolete-9000
texlive-bezos 9:svn25507.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-bezos-doc 9:svn25507.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-bgreek 9:svn15878.0.3.obsolete-9000
texlive-context-fixme 9:svn29341.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-context-games 9:svn23167.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-context-games-doc 9:svn23167.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-context-lilypond 9:svn23167.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-context-lilypond-doc 9:svn23167.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-doc 9:2020-30
texlive-east-asian 9:2020-30
texlive-FAQ-en-doc 9:svn34303.3.28.obsolete-9000
texlive-fontloader-luaotfload 9:svn45090.obsolete-9000
texlive-genmisc 9:svn45851.obsolete-9000
texlive-geometry-de-doc 9:svn21882.1.1.obsolete-9000
texlive-getargs 9:svn41415.obsolete-9000
texlive-japanese 9:svn30855.1.3.obsolete-9000
texlive-japanese-doc 9:svn30855.1.3.obsolete-9000
texlive-knuthotherfonts 9:svn13293.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-ltxindex 9:svn15878.0.1c-9000
texlive-lua2dox 9:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-mbenotes 9:svn31813.2.obsolete-9000
texlive-mbenotes-doc 9:svn31813.2.obsolete-9000
texlive-mil3-doc 9:svn21677.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-mychemistry 9:svn28611.1.99b.obsolete-9000
texlive-mychemistry-doc 9:svn28611.1.99b.obsolete-9000
texlive-obsolete 9:2020-30
texlive-pdftools 9:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-pstools 9:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-pst-spirograph 9:svn35026.0.41.obsolete-9000
texlive-pst-spirograph-doc 9:svn35026.0.41.obsolete-9000
texlive-pst-vue3d 9:svn15878.1.24.obsolete-9000
texlive-pst-vue3d-doc 9:svn15878.1.24.obsolete-9000
texlive-pstricks-examples-en-doc 9:svn29349.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-pstricks-examples-doc 9:svn21511.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-psu-thesis 9:svn15878.1.1.obsolete-9000
texlive-psu-thesis-doc 9:svn15878.1.1.obsolete-9000
texlive-scheme-xml 9:svn40631.obsolete-9000
texlive-spanish-mx 9:svn15878.1.1a.obsolete-9000
texlive-spanish-mx-doc 9:svn15878.1.1a.obsolete-9000
texlive-tetex 7:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-tetex-bin 7:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-texconfig 7:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-texconfig-bin 7:20190410.obsolete-9000
texlive-texmf 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-afm 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-context 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-doc 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-dvips 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-east-asian 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-fonts 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-latex 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-xetex 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-afm 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-context 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-doc 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-dvips 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-east-asian 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-fonts 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-latex 9:2020-30
texlive-texmf-errata-xetex 9:2020-30
texlive-tkz-berge 9:svn22891.1.00c.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-berge-doc 9:svn22891.1.00c.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-graph 9:svn22832.1.00.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-graph-doc 9:svn22832.1.00.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-kiviat 9:svn22857.0.1.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-kiviat-doc 9:svn22857.0.1.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-linknodes 9:svn22833.1.0c.obsolete-9000
texlive-tkz-linknodes-doc 9:svn22833.1.0c.obsolete-9000
texlive-voss-mathmode-doc 9:svn36093.2.47.obsolete-9000
texlive-wasy2-ps 9:svn35830.0.obsolete-9000
texlive-wasy2-ps-doc 9:svn35830.0.obsolete-9000
tex-tetex 7:20190410.obsolete-9000
tex-texconfig 7:20190410.obsolete-9000

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