Bug 2118239 - Obsolete Quotation Marks on Norwegian Keyboard
Summary: Obsolete Quotation Marks on Norwegian Keyboard
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Status: CLOSED NOTABUG
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: xkeyboard-config
Version: 36
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
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Assignee: Peter Hutterer
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
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Reported: 2022-08-15 07:38 UTC by nifrebo
Modified: 2023-05-05 04:13 UTC (History)
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Last Closed: 2023-05-05 04:13:23 UTC
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Description nifrebo 2022-08-15 07:38:22 UTC
Description of problem:

Using the compose key in order to write Left Double Quotation Mark (U+201C) and Right Double Quotation Mark (U+201D) now produce Double Low-9 Quotation Mark (U+201E) and Left Double Quotation Mark (U+201C). 

Ie. a quote looks like this: „quote“ instead of this: “quote”
The same goes for the single quote counterparts: ‚quote‘ instead of ‘quote’

All other compose key combinations produce (as far as I have tested) the same
characters as in earlier Fedora versions.

The odd fact is that these "new" quotation marks have not been in current use for more than a century. The only way I can interpret this is that thw Fedora team must have been using a person with supposed knowledge of Norwegian typography who (on his/hers own behalf?) has altered these quotation marks.

This article (in Norwegian) makes it perfectly clear:
http://www.typografi.org/sitat/sitatart.html

You MUST revert back to the original quotation marks !!!


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Comment 1 Kevin Fenzi 2022-08-15 17:52:43 UTC
The fedora-release package is just the package that provides the release files... nothing to do with "s 

I'm going to take a wild stab and see if ibus maintainers have any idea where this would be happening...

Comment 2 Peter Robinson 2022-08-15 17:57:15 UTC
Probably more likely to be something like xkeyboard-config but we'd need more details like desktop env or whether it's text console etc.

Comment 3 Jens Petersen 2022-08-16 04:53:11 UTC
Could you please attach a screenshot and details of your environment?

Comment 4 Jens Petersen 2022-08-16 04:54:04 UTC
Maybe you can also copy and paste directly some of your input here.

Comment 5 Ben Cotton 2023-04-25 17:46:24 UTC
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Comment 6 fujiwara 2023-04-28 11:33:22 UTC
I cannot reproduce your issue in Fedora 38.
I tried gedit, gnome-text-editor and libreoffice. libreoffice can convert U+0022 to U+201C correctly.

Comment 7 Jens Petersen 2023-04-30 07:43:18 UTC
I can reproduce in F35 with Norwegian layout, but not in F36.
So this looks already fixed?

Comment 8 Jens Petersen 2023-04-30 07:58:30 UTC
Or at least I see the difference between F35 and F36:

In F36 AltGr+v gives Double Low-9 Quotation Mark (U+201E)
Of course you can use AltGr+n to get Right Double Quotation Mark (U+201D)
This with xkeyboard-layout-2.35-1.fc36.
This behavior continues in F37 and F38 I think.

Whereas in F35: AltGr+v gives Left Double Quotation Mark (U+201C) and
and AltGr+b gives Right Double Quotation Mark (U+201D)
with xkeyboard-layout-2.33-2.fc35.

Was this an intentional upstream change?

Comment 9 Peter Hutterer 2023-05-04 07:43:17 UTC
maybe this commit? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config/-/commit/17a6a186160c8436fc97473dfe2a9d8a34325a31 That's the only one I can find in a quick skim of the git log between 2.33-2.35.

Comment 10 Jens Petersen 2023-05-05 04:13:23 UTC
Thanks, Peter

More details in the MR: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config/-/merge_requests/242

I think this can be closed: if anyone wants to contend the change,
I suppose they can open an upstream issue.


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