Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 303131
yum-cron replaces CentOS package
Last modified: 2007-12-05 09:31:07 EST
Description of problem: EPEL5-testing contains a yum-cron package which replaces the package with the same name from CentOS-base. As we try to not conflict with CentOS-base, thus we should go the same route as we did for yum in EPEL4 -- ship the CentOS package with a lower EVR; then users that want to use the package on RHEL5 can use it while we don't disturb CenOS. For a discussion of the problem see https://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2007-September/msg00012.html Would that be fine for you?
Sounds good in principle. Just want to be clear on the details: by lower EVR you mean the version-release numbering, or is there something more subtle? The only other downstream distribution I know of is Scientific Linux, and there the equivalent package is called autoyum, so should be no collision there.
Got the CentOS package downloaded, and it's the same one as I made in response to bug 212507. The current Fedora/EPEL yum-cron is that first RPM made compliant to Fedora packaging standards and with a few improvements. I've contacted the CentOS maintainer to see if he agrees, but it seems to make sense that the old version in CentOS be superseded by the newer and actively maintained version. Not that the package is very complicated, but there is some benefit in the newer version.
Just for my edification, whom do you believe the maintainer to be? I do not see that 212507 is all that applicable, although yum-updatesd is probable daemon-spawn ;) -- Russ Herrold, of CentOS
(In reply to comment #3) > Just for my edification, whom do you believe the maintainer to be? For yum-cron? The assigne (Habig, Alec); he told me he's in contact with the CentOS maintainer of yum-cron to resolve this issue. I was told it seems the yum-cron in EPEL has some bugfixes that might be interesting for CentOS. Maybe Alec and the CentOS maintainer can work together with this (then the EPEL package should of course like yum in EPEL4 be shipped with a lower EVR in EPEL again)
Leemhuis, I am missing something - I understand, and I assume you do, that Habig covers the Red Hat/Fedora EPEL side. Thus the Red Hat Bugzilla assignment. We at CentOS do not carry a 'yum-cron' component per se (I have maintenance rights on the CentOS tracker, and have just looked to reconfirm this); the closest default assignment on yum matters in the CentOS tracker refers to a person in travel status. I do not see a name for the CentOS side, so that I can verify his belief. If you know, say so; if not, please don't toss in side issues. As yum is and has been CentOS updater from day one, and the yum maintainer formerly at Duke has been involved in the decisions by CentOS on what we carry, in channels not visible to you, I rather think EPEL is on a road to a collision in your fork without visibility to the proper persons.
"in contact with" is too strong a statement, I sent email off into the ether to the guy listed in the CentOS yum-cron rpm, Karanbir Singh. No reply yet though. That rpm is the one discussed in the email thread in the first comment above. Simply making the Fedora yum-cron a lower version number than the CentOS one doesn't make sense, though, since the CentOS one really is simply an older version of the one in EPEL.
(In reply to comment #5 from R P Herrold) > Leemhuis, I am missing something - I understand, and I assume you do, that Habig > covers the Red Hat/Fedora EPEL side. Thus the Red Hat Bugzilla assignment. Alec is the maintainer of yum-cron -- I'm just one of those that takes care of EPEL would like to see him solve the isse. As quickly if possible and it should not enter the stable EPEL repo in its current state. But I don't tell Alec how to solve the issue. He has mentioned something that sounded like a good point: get a yum-cron in EPEL for those on RHEL that want it. Get the same version in CentOS, as that's the EPEL one seems to contain bugfixes that might be of interest for CentOS.
z00dax, thx for making sure yum-cron-0.6 made it into CentOS 5.1; that should resolve this issue. The ENVR from the centos package is afaics higher than the one in EPEL, so I suggest we leave it like that and and move the existing package to EPEL proper so users of RHEL&EPEL proper can use it as well. I'd further suggest we try to coordinate updates to the package in the future (with the ENVR in EPEL proper lower then the one in CentOS normally) should further updates be needed. Alec, z00dax, is that fine for you?
Great, thanks! Am happy to coordinate future changes changes. Only one in the works now would be a big change to use yum-updatesd --oneshot (Bug 325531) which is a long-term infrastructure change and will proceed slowly and cautiously anyway.
added a "UPDATE-CAREFULLY" file to yum-cron/EL-5 as reminder. Closing this bug.
(In reply to comment #10) > added a "UPDATE-CAREFULLY" file to yum-cron/EL-5 as reminder. Closing this bug. Ohh, sorry, commit failed; I don't have proper permissions. Alec, could you please add a file similar to http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/yum/EL-4/UPDATE-CAREFULLY?view=markup as reminder to CVS? tia!
Done, see: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/yum-cron/EL-5/UPDATE-CAREFULLY?rev=1.1&view=log