Bug 438902 - conflicts with NetworkManager
Summary: conflicts with NetworkManager
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: system-config-network
Version: 9
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Harald Hoyer
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
Depends On: 459120
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2008-03-25 21:25 UTC by Bill Nottingham
Modified: 2014-03-17 03:13 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Doc Type: Bug Fix
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Last Closed: 2009-07-14 15:22:08 UTC
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Description Bill Nottingham 2008-03-25 21:25:51 UTC
Description of problem:

On a default install, there is the Administration->Network, and
Administration->Network Device Control. Enabling/disabling devices here is going
to screw up NetworkManager (now running by default) pretty badly.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):


Comment 1 Harald Hoyer 2008-03-26 07:54:29 UTC
So does ifup/ifdown in a terminal??
What should s-c-control/network do? Kill NM?

Comment 2 Bill Nottingham 2008-03-26 15:21:32 UTC
Well, ifup/ifdown isn't presented to the user in the normal menus. I'm not sure
killing NM is the right answer.

Comment 3 Harald Hoyer 2008-03-27 01:38:25 UTC
nevertheless, someone could ifup/ifdown from a terminal and NM should not screw
up... right?

Comment 4 Dan Williams 2008-03-27 10:50:43 UTC
Ideally no, NM wouldn't screw up, but then people could also add/delete/change
routes in the routing table, add/remove/change IP addresses, etc.  Should NM
handle all those cases too?  That's a boatload of code for not a lot of benefit.
 Either you use NM and don't mess with devices, or you don't use NM and you mess
with devices.

With NM_CONTROLLED=no though, I'll make NM ignore the ifcfg and the device that
is specified by the MAC address in the ifconfig file, so that's the "out".  If
you have a device that's not controlled by NM, then you should probably be able
to ifup/ifdown as much as you want.  There are at least a few ways to make
ifup/ifdown and NM cooperate:

1) If NM isn't running, do what's done now
2) If NM is running, and the ifcfg isn't NM_CONTROLLED=no, poke NM to activate
the connection
3) If NM is running, and the ifcfg is NM_CONTROLLED=no, activate the connection
but don't change the default route


Comment 5 Bill Nottingham 2008-03-27 13:55:03 UTC
Well, need a C-based NM-poker, unless we want to do fire&forget dbus-send. Aside
from that, seems reasonable.

Comment 6 Dan Williams 2008-03-27 14:27:56 UTC
I'll sign up to write a C-based poker, just need to know what ifup/ifdown expect
from it (ie, what commands it should expect, what return values, etc).

Comment 7 Bill Nottingham 2008-03-27 15:44:22 UTC
Hm, interfaces that I think would be required:

1) is-network-manager-running/ping
2) bring up interface XXX (either by device name or mac address)
3) bring down interface XXX (either by device name or mac address)

#2 and #3 should probably have options to block.

For compatibility, auto-ip probably shouldn't be tried if DHCP fails.

Specific failure codes we may want to enumerate:
- device has no link
- configuration failed (DHCP or otherwise)

Comment 8 Harald Hoyer 2008-03-27 22:06:29 UTC
Ok, this version should not let the user activate/deactivate, if NM_CONTROLLED
is set.

what do you think?

Comment 9 Bill Nottingham 2008-03-28 02:21:48 UTC
What actually sets NM_CONTROLLED? Or is it all done by hand?

Comment 10 Harald Hoyer 2008-03-28 07:22:34 UTC
s-c-n can set/unset it. Dunno what else does.

Comment 11 Bill Nottingham 2008-03-28 15:54:09 UTC
Can set/unset,or sets/unsets by default?

Comment 12 Harald Hoyer 2008-03-31 09:38:35 UTC

btw, s-c-n > 1.5.3 honors NM_CONTROLLED=yes (default, if not specified is "no")

anaconda really should write this and ask/inform the user about this.

Comment 13 Bug Zapper 2008-05-14 06:51:03 UTC
Changing version to '9' as part of upcoming Fedora 9 GA.
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Comment 14 Jiri Moskovcak 2008-08-14 14:50:22 UTC
*** Bug 459017 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 15 Jiri Moskovcak 2008-08-14 14:52:48 UTC
NM should be fixed also, because it's deafault is 'yes' even thou it's not specified.

Comment 16 Michal Jaegermann 2008-08-14 15:19:11 UTC
> NM should be fixed also ...
In the current installations, even after upgrades, service 'network'
by default is not running.  Which would mean "no network connections"
if NM requires an explicit "yes" unless this would be added to
a configuration.  OTOH NM is still unable to set hostname from IP.

If there is some documentation which describes what is really expected
all around in this setup then I am not aware of its existence.

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