Bug 460405 - the shutdown program regressed in features
the shutdown program regressed in features
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: upstart (Show other bugs)
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Assigned To: Casey Dahlin
Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
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Reported: 2008-08-27 23:58 EDT by Arjan van de Ven
Modified: 2014-06-18 04:46 EDT (History)
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Last Closed: 2010-03-26 14:41:55 EDT
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Description Arjan van de Ven 2008-08-27 23:58:30 EDT
Description of problem:

prior to F9; the shutdown program had an option to shut down immediately, bypassing the shutdown scripts etc. This feature was extremely useful for kernel developers (you can reboot machines even after they oopsed somewhere) and generally was useful for recovering cases where something was wrong (say a stuck NFS server) that would cause shutdown scripts to be problematic.

unfortunately, F9 shutdown cannot do this anymore.....
Comment 1 Bill Nottingham 2008-08-28 09:48:21 EDT
reboot -f/halt -f still work; I suppose it just needs the code in shutdown to directly call that if that's passed.
Comment 2 Bug Zapper 2009-06-09 22:34:20 EDT
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Comment 3 Scott James Remnant 2009-06-18 10:52:42 EDT
What was the option to do this?
Comment 4 Bill Nottingham 2009-06-18 11:03:19 EDT
       -n     [DEPRECATED]  Don’t call init(8) to do the shutdown but do it ourself.
              The use of this option is discouraged, and its results are not  always
              what you’d expect.
Comment 5 Casey Dahlin 2009-06-18 11:07:04 EDT
That doesn't sound like what's described above. Nor does it make a convincing argument for carrying it forward.
Comment 6 Bill Nottingham 2009-06-18 11:14:22 EDT
It is the option for shutdown bypassing the halt scripts. Despite the deprecation notice:

- it's been there since the dawn of time
- all it does is call reboot -f/halt -f. Which aren't deprecated.
Comment 7 Casey Dahlin 2010-03-26 14:41:55 EDT
Scott isn't going to take the patch. This is either going to be a permanent patch in our package or we're going to have to address this later when we "deprecate" it.

I'm not up for either.

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