Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 489667
Too much dependencies to install.
Last modified: 2009-05-08 13:57:23 EDT
Description of problem:
$ sudo yum install gstreamer-plugins-good
Package Arch Version Repository Size
gstreamer-plugins-good x86_64 0.10.14-2.fc11 rawhide 1.1 M
Installing for dependencies:
PolicyKit-kde x86_64 4.2.0-3.fc11 rawhide 109 k
avahi-glib x86_64 0.6.24-2.fc11 rawhide 18 k
clucene-core x86_64 0.9.21-2.fc11 rawhide 347 k
enchant x86_64 1:1.4.2-5.fc11 rawhide 52 k
exiv2-libs x86_64 0.18-2.fc11 rawhide 840 k
fedora-gnome-theme noarch 8.0.0-8.fc11 rawhide 11 k
fedora-icon-theme noarch 1.0.0-5.fc11 rawhide 117 k
gnome-icon-theme noarch 2.25.91-2.fc11 rawhide 3.9 M
gnome-keyring x86_64 2.25.92-1.fc11 rawhide 1.2 M
gnome-mime-data noarch 2.18.0-4.fc11 rawhide 713 k
gnome-mount x86_64 0.8-5.fc11 rawhide 150 k
gnome-themes noarch 2.25.92-1.fc11 rawhide 1.5 M
gnome-vfs2 x86_64 2.24.0-5.fc11 rawhide 945 k
gtk-nodoka-engine x86_64 0.7.2-3.fc11 rawhide 54 k
hunspell x86_64 1.2.8-4.fc11 rawhide 203 k
hunspell-en noarch 0.20090216-2.fc11 rawhide 625 k
kde-filesystem noarch 4-24.fc11 rawhide 21 k
kde-settings noarch 4.2-4.20090225svn.fc11 rawhide 35 k
kdelibs x86_64 6:4.2.1-4.fc11 rawhide 14 M
kdelibs-common x86_64 6:4.2.1-4.fc11 rawhide 363 k
libXres x86_64 1.0.3-6.fc11 rawhide 14 k
libasyncns x86_64 0.7-2.fc11 rawhide 25 k
libavc1394 x86_64 0.5.3-5.fc11 rawhide 47 k
libbonobo x86_64 2.24.0-4.fc11 rawhide 507 k
libdv x86_64 1.0.0-7.fc11 rawhide 83 k
libgnome x86_64 2.24.1-9.fc11 rawhide 700 k
libiec61883 x86_64 1.2.0-2.fc11 rawhide 36 k
libmodplug x86_64 1:0.8.4-4.fc11 rawhide 171 k
libmpcdec x86_64 1.2.6-5.fc11 rawhide 27 k
libnotify x86_64 0.4.5-2.fc11 rawhide 36 k
libproxy x86_64 0.2.3-9.fc11 rawhide 37 k
libproxy-bin x86_64 0.2.3-9.fc11 rawhide 6.3 k
libproxy-mozjs x86_64 0.2.3-9.fc11 rawhide 9.1 k
libproxy-python x86_64 0.2.3-9.fc11 rawhide 6.1 k
libsexy x86_64 0.1.11-10.fc11 rawhide 45 k
libshout x86_64 2.2.2-4.fc11 rawhide 43 k
libsoup x86_64 2.25.91-2.fc11 rawhide 228 k
libv4l x86_64 0.5.8-2.fc11 rawhide 75 k
libwnck x86_64 2.25.91-2.fc11 rawhide 383 k
libxslt x86_64 1.1.24-4.fc11 rawhide 537 k
mozilla-filesystem x86_64 1.9-4.fc11 rawhide 3.3 k
mysql-libs x86_64 5.1.32-1.fc11 rawhide 2.1 M
nodoka-filesystem noarch 0.3.90-3.fc11 rawhide 3.5 k
nodoka-metacity-theme noarch 0.3.90-3.fc11 rawhide 8.6 k
notification-daemon x86_64 0.4.0-2.fc11 rawhide 50 k
notification-daemon-engine-nodoka x86_64 0.1.0-6.fc11 rawhide 28 k
oxygen-icon-theme noarch 4.2.1-1.fc11 rawhide 15 M
phonon x86_64 4.3.1-2.fc11 rawhide 155 k
phonon-backend-xine x86_64 4.3.1-2.fc11 rawhide 169 k
postgresql-libs x86_64 8.3.6-2.fc11 rawhide 215 k
pulseaudio-libs x86_64 0.9.15-3.test5.fc11 rawhide 341 k
qt x86_64 1:4.5.0-3.fc11 rawhide 3.9 M
qt-x11 x86_64 1:4.5.0-3.fc11 rawhide 16 M
raptor x86_64 1.4.18-2.fc11 rawhide 227 k
rasqal x86_64 0.9.15-4.fc11 rawhide 193 k
redland x86_64 1.0.7-6.fc11 rawhide 218 k
solar-backgrounds-common noarch 0.92.0-2.fc11 rawhide 5.2 M
solar-kde-theme noarch 0.1.17-2.fc11 rawhide 289 k
soprano x86_64 2.2.3-1.fc11 rawhide 689 k
startup-notification x86_64 0.9-6.fc11 rawhide 38 k
strigi-libs x86_64 0.6.4-3.fc11 rawhide 471 k
taglib x86_64 1.5-4.fc11 rawhide 178 k
xdg-user-dirs x86_64 0.10-4.fc11 rawhide 41 k
xine-lib x86_64 18.104.22.168-4.fc11 rawhide 2.4 M
xulrunner x86_64 1.9.1-0.9.beta2.fc11 rawhide 9.7 M
Install 66 Package(s)
Update 0 Package(s)
Remove 0 Package(s)
Total download size: 86 M
Is this ok [y/N]:
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
Try to install it with yum
It takes with it gnome/kde and so on crazy deps.
Install only really needed packages for work.
One way to avoid PolicyKit-kde (and associated kde dependencies) is to pre-install PolicyKit-gnome, and try installing gstreamer-* again.
Which features would you like removed from the gstreamer plugins to reduce their dependency list?
I don't very familiar with gstreamer. Let's assume, I use some light-weight window manager, I have no gnome/kde. Should I really install gnome/kde dependencies? Is where any way to avoid it?
By the way. It's no only my opinion, but packages in Fedora is going more and more complex way with increasing deps :-(
As second example (It's no about gstreamer), which I remember right now -
rpm -qR gettext-devel | grep gcj
see comment #1.
Some apps in fedora are starting to include
The item in this transaction triggering that was gnome-mount.
2 packages currently Provides: PolicyKit-authentication-agent
If you don't have either currently installed, yum tries to pick one for you (to your benefit or dismay).
I try to make some analogy probably not the best. Let's make a little overview of dovecot package from fedora:
[root@fedora-dev /]# yum search dovecot | grep '^d' | cut -d: -f1
I don't have to install all these packages: mysql/pgsql/sqlite/ldap. If I need some of them, it would be installed as deps for appropriate dovecot-* package. Where is no way doing something like that in this case?
I think we're talking past each other. that's ok, I'll try to make it clearer.
You're mostly concerned about the kde-related dependencies getting pulled in? Yes or no?
yum install PolicyKit-gnome
yum install gstreamer-plugins-good
will get you what you want.
If you want each item in gstreamer-plugins-good that contains new/extra dependencies to be split into separate packaging, that's something altogether different.
I can agree with reporter. I'm using Fedora day to day starting from Core 2 and dependencies problem gets worse and worse. We have too much complex all-in-one packages. Nowadays its impossible to have simple Fedora installation without half of gnome, kde and java stuff. For example, Fedora 9 and 10 (I'm not sure about rawhide) requires tomcat server for OpenOffice due to weird dependency in some package, which does not relate to OO.org directly. It's madness to require tomcat for usual desktop installation!
Try to do `rpm -qa | less' and to see how many packages you don't really need. Ever need.
I think packages complexity reduction can be a major feature for next Fedora releases.
No only about kde. I have understood trick with yum, thank you. Should I install at least 'kde or gnome deps'? Can I avoid all of them?
Thanks also to Vitaly Mayatskikh for his comment. Yeah, I want to see less complex system.
Less complex? Three's a tradeoff you know.
You're tradeing deps for more packages is all. Instead of a single gstreamer-plugins-good, now you'll have umpteen gstreamer-plugin-foo* subpkgs.
Vitaly, you're welcome to help implement the idea... otherwise, it's simply more work for the existing already overworked pkg maintainers.
My english not strong to understand meaning of 'Three's a tradeoff'. But I certainly understand whole point, what bug reports in "the best of" should contain some proposed patch. In the next time reporting I will try to make some appropriate spec(s) or so on. It's all about free time, yes.
From what I gather, I'll mark this as a wishlist item requesting more extensive pkg splits (FutureFeature keyword), and leave it to the maintainer(s) in question to decide what to do with it.
As for me, I'd like to see tens of thousands of separate packages instead of one fedora-blob.rpm ;) And it will be my pleasure to help with solving of dependencies complexity problem. However, it will require not only splitting one big package to several of smaller size, but also introduce a new policy of packages installation, like it does, for example, in Debian. They have 3 possibilities of deps solving: "minimal", "base", "recommended" (I don't remember exactly). And the system installed with minimal deps is really minimal, only 200-300 megs on disk.
Thanks for understanding, Rex!
We currently have no plans to split gstreamer-plugins-good apart. The PolicyKit integration does require a PK auth agent, and yum happens to pick the KDE one for whatever reason, but that's not gstreamer's fault.