Bug 515670 - Review Request: commanderstalin - Soviet Boswar modification
Summary: Review Request: commanderstalin - Soviet Boswar modification
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Status: CLOSED NOTABUG
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: Package Review
Version: rawhide
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
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Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Nobody's working on this, feel free to take it
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
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Blocks:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2009-08-05 10:18 UTC by Jens
Modified: 2009-08-09 07:27 UTC (History)
9 users (show)

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Last Closed: 2009-08-06 10:02:51 UTC
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Description Jens 2009-08-05 10:18:33 UTC
Spec URL: i have no space (where can I request space?)
SRPM URL: i have no space (where can I request space?)
Description:
First of all, this is a placeholder. I will add the spec and srpm after i find a space for it.

Comment 1 Peter Lemenkov 2009-08-05 10:36:56 UTC
At least, you may place spec-file right here, as an attachment.

Comment 2 Simon 2009-08-05 11:19:05 UTC
You are not a packager?!
I didn't find you at FAS. Please create a fas account.
added FE-Needsponsor

before you add a spec or srpm, think about this:

commanderstalin comes with boswar itself. so you have to patch this internal dependency out.

I'm not a fan of the "remove flags in fedora packages" discussion, but I would make an exception to this package!
It comes with nazi symbolicas. Please remove this.

Comment 3 Peter Lemenkov 2009-08-05 11:29:53 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)

> I'm not a fan of the "remove flags in fedora packages" discussion, but I would
> make an exception to this package!
> It comes with nazi symbolicas. Please remove this.  

I don't think that history-related game needs such 1984-like censorship. Nazi regime was a part of European history, so let's not forget it.

Comment 4 Simon 2009-08-05 11:45:19 UTC
It would make me sad to see a game with nazi symbolicas in a family friendly distribution like fedora.

Comment 5 Peter Lemenkov 2009-08-05 12:10:15 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> It would make me sad to see a game with nazi symbolicas in a family friendly
> distribution like fedora.  

Then, don't allow your children to learn the history of the world.

Comment 6 Christoph Wickert 2009-08-05 12:19:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> It would make me sad to see a game with nazi symbolicas in a family friendly
> distribution like fedora.  

Haha, you are maintainer of gnaughty, which is definitely not family friendly because it can be used to bypass age verification.

On the other hand: The swastica flag is forbidden in Germany. It's only allowed for education (which covers Peter's history argument) and arts, but not in computer games. See http://www.technolex-anwaelte.de/index.php?id=43&news_id=106
(German only)

Comment 7 Peter Lemenkov 2009-08-05 12:29:21 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #4)
> > It would make me sad to see a game with nazi symbolicas in a family friendly
> > distribution like fedora.  
> 
> Haha, you are maintainer of gnaughty, which is definitely not family friendly
> because it can be used to bypass age verification.

Heh, nice catch! I always sure, that (almost) all aggressive moralists are hypocrites.

On the other hand, what Fedora Policy states regarding nazi symbolics?

Comment 8 Simon 2009-08-05 12:50:13 UTC
blocking FE-MORAL ?

Comment 9 Christoph Wickert 2009-08-05 13:13:59 UTC
Dunn(In reply to comment #7)
> 
> On the other hand, what Fedora Policy states regarding nazi symbolics?  

Dunno. Ask spot?

Comment 10 Robert Scheck 2009-08-05 14:51:00 UTC
I think, that's an ethical and legal thing here. In some countries (e.g. as
in Germany) such symbolicas are even a legal problem. Maybe they can be slightly 
changed so that they're okay in all countries like commercial/proprietary games
do for Germany as well? Time for a bit FE_LEGAL...

Comment 11 Dimitris Glezos 2009-08-05 16:27:20 UTC
The fact that a package might be unacceptable in certain countries does not constitute a reason not to package it in Fedora. That's why packages and spins exist, so that we can substitute a package if we need to.

If this package is not on the media we're distributing in events, then it shouldn't be a problem. If it is/will be, then we should do exactly what we are doing with OpenOffice in Brazil (which is trademarked): We have a different spin for it:

    "Fedora-11-i686-Live-BrOffice  	This spin is intended to be a Brazilian
    Portuguese localized spin that provides the legal brand for OpenOffice.org
    in Brazil."

I'd encourage everyone to understand that Fedora is much, much bigger than what we think it is in our own realm. We ship our product in a bunch of countries, and the only real problem that we should be worrying about in this case should be: "does having such a package on our repos (and not on our media) break a law in USA which, through the trademark bridge, could hurt Fedora and Red Hat"? If the answer is no, then there should be a very serious reason to oppress the "Freedom" foundation of Fedora.

Comment 12 Robert Scheck 2009-08-05 18:32:09 UTC
AFAIK spins that have the name "Fedora" in it are legally only allowed to ship 
whatever Fedora is shipping. And if there's something which violates the Fedora
rules, it has to be called "remix" and never include the "Fedora" name IIRC.

As far as I got Tom in his last talk I participated (FUDCon 2008), Fedora cares 
about legal issues in other countries as well and tries to solve them. And in
this special case we don't talk about a trivial issue or about a law which is
not enforced anyway, but about a real violation against the constitution of the
Federal Republic of Germany which can bring imprisonment e.g. when distributing
such symbolicas, which causes serious trouble to all German Fedora mirrors.

Comment 13 Tom "spot" Callaway 2009-08-05 18:55:07 UTC
The simplest solution here would be to replace the controversial images with something that is not controversial. Jens, as the proposed maintainer, are you willing to do that?

Comment 14 Jens 2009-08-06 10:02:51 UTC
no, because this will steal the athmospehere of the game. so i will close this.


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