Sorry for filing such a messy issue description, but IANAL and don't know exactly what the problem is or how it could be solved - I am just sure that something has to be changed. The fedora-logos package has a confusing license and description - that is IMHO a bug. The Fedora trademark policy must be followed, and the whole Fedora project should make that as simple as possible. Of course the legal texts must be correct legally and do their job, but it is also important that they make sense to normal community members. fedora-logos-11.0.6-1.fc11.noarch has the license tag "Not licensed. See COPYING file for trademark permission." IANAL, but I don't see how we can use a package without a license. I hope that it _is_ licensed so that I can use and copy it as a part of Fedora - even though the trademark probably makes it kind of "less free". This wording might be legally correct, but it is not helpful for the community members struggling to understand and comply to the licensing. The package summary would be more spot on with something like "Trademarked Fedora icons and pictures". I think it is fine that the Description refers to COPYING for details, but couldn't/shouldn't the package description contain a layman description? Something as simple as "This package and its content may not be distributed with anything but unmodified packages from Fedora Project. It can be used in a Fedora Spin, but not in a Fedora Remix. This package can be replaced by the more liberally licensed generic-logos package." Mentioning how it relates to Spins and Fedora Remix and the generic- package would be very helpful, and I have tried to use a wording which can't be interpreted to have any legal significance. A specific problem is that COPYING references a anaconda-images package - but there is not such package. AFAICS from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines this package may NOT be used with "additional software packages" as it seems to me that COPYING permits? The README from the source package contains information which probably also should be included in the rpm package. It seems pretty odd to have the RPM logo in fedora-logos. The logo can be found "upstream" on www.rpm.org and on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RPM_Logo.svg without any clear license. I assume that the RPM logo can be used on unmodified rpm software - also in a Fedora Remix? kdelibs3 also contains icons with the rpm logo - but I assume that is fair use? Wouldn't all uses of the RPM logo in Fedora be fair use? AFAICS there are no references to the rpm logos in fedora-logos anywhere, so why include them in the package at all? AFAICS the conditions for use of the RPM logo is not mentioned on the pages referenced from COPYING as it is said it should be. I suggest dropping the RPM logo and references to it from fedora-logos, and instead clarify the logo license on rpm.org and include it as %doc in the rpm rpm. The sites mentioned above mentions fedora-logos, fedora-release and fedora-release-notes as the packages with the same special restrictions. They should thus be as similar as possible in License tag, Description and COPYING. (There is _no_ indication in fedora-release that it contains a trademark used under license and thus can't be modified and distributed freely under GPL.) See also https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Remix
Thanks for your report. After a lot of discussion with Red Hat Legal, we've rewritten the License tag, the COPYING, the README, and the Description to match reality. New License tag: Licensed only for approved usage, see COPYING for details. COPYING file: Fedora®, the Fedora word design, and the Infinity design logo, either separately or in combination, are hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc., registered in the United States and other countries. The fedora-logos package ("Package") contains images that are or include the Fedora Trademarks. You are granted the right to use the Package during the normal operation of software spins approved by the Fedora Project that call upon the Package. You are also granted a license to copy and redistribute an unmodified Package as part of an accepted Fedora spin, as identified at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Spins. All uses of this package, its content and the Trademarks must comply with the Fedora Trademark Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines. In the case of conflict between the license granted herein and the Fedora Trademark Guidelines, the Fedora Trademark Guidelines will control. All such rights are granted to you provided that the above trademark legend and this license are included with each copy you make, and they remain intact and are not altered, deleted, or modified in any way. NO WARRANTY. THIS PACKAGE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY NONINFRINGEMENT ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL RED HAT, INC. BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS PACKAGE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. Description: The fedora-logos package contains image files which incorporate the Fedora trademarks (the "Marks"). The Marks are trademarks or registered trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. in the United States and other countries and are used by permission. This package and its content may not be distributed with anything but unmodified packages from Fedora Project. It can be used in a Fedora Spin, but not in a Fedora Remix. If necessary, this package can be replaced by the more liberally licensed generic-logos package. See the included COPYING file for full information on copying and redistribution of this package and its contents. These changes went into 11.0.7, which has been committed and built in rawhide: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1655641
Thanks. Now it is clear and understandable and more consistent and mostly makes sense to me. The "spins approved by the Fedora Project" part surprises me, though. I thought that a "new combination of unmodified Fedora software" which followed the Spin rules and only used the Fedora trademarks through the official Fedora packages (which I assume has been approved), that it also automatically was OK. But it seems like I was wrong... Related issue: From other sources it is clear (if I understood it correctly) that the same trademark license and restrictions applies to the packages fedora-release and fedora-release-notes. These two packages do however also have many of the same issues as I reported for fedora-logos. I suggest that these 2 other packages gets aligned with fedora-logos and that as much as possible of license tag, description and COPYING is reused. It is essentially the same issue, and I assume that it also involves spot, so I will reopen this issue - at least for a comment.
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