Currently, IPA mincho font belongs to sans-serif family by 65-ipa-mincho.conf. However it's a "monospace" sans-serif font. sans-serif family is generally expected to have "proportional" sans-serif fonts such as Liberation Serif. So we should add monospace sans-serif font to sans-serif family only when the font have special or rare glyphs which other sans-serif family fonts don't have. And I suppose IPA mincho font should belong to monospace family or have no font family alias.
Assuming s/sans-serif/serif/. Strictly speaking, no sans-serif/serif fonts in any East Asian fonts. but it's well-known that Mincho type face is compatible with serif. plus, I don't think your objection will be applied to such fonts since for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monospaced_font avoids explaining about them. If you prefer using non-proportional Japanese fonts for serif, I don't have any objections for that. we can update the priority for ipa-mincho-fonts and ipa-pmincho-fonts say. but this would be a kind of the preference. I'll keep ipa-mincho-fonts in serif as fallback though.
Any comments?
Created attachment 398075 [details] Screenshot of IPA and IPAex fonts Hmm. I got no email for this bug in 2010-02-25. (In reply to comment #1) > Assuming s/sans-serif/serif/. Oops. Thanks. > it's well-known that Mincho type face is compatible with serif. I basically agree. But I think ipa-pmincho (and/or ipaex-mihcno) is better for serif in IPA and IPAex fonts family. If you say ipa-mincho should be keep in serif, ipa-gothic should be in sans-serif which is set in monospace. I suppose ipa-gothic font also belongs to monospaced font because both ipa-mincho and ipa-gothic have same font width. I suggest: 65-ipa-gothic (monospace) 65-ipa-mincho (monospace) 65-ipa-pgothic (sans-serif) 65-ipa-pmincho (serif) 65-ipaex-gothic (sans-serif) 65-ipaex-mincho (serif)
(In reply to comment #3) > If you say ipa-mincho should be keep in serif, ipa-gothic should be in > sans-serif which is set in monospace. I suppose ipa-gothic font also belongs > to monospaced font because both ipa-mincho and ipa-gothic have same font width. It is.
Ah, I forgot to check F13 package. You have already changed in ipa-gothic-fonts F13 as it is. In case of ipa-mincho-fonts, does it still only have serif? ipa-mincho-fonts and ipa-gothic-fonts have non-symmetric fontconfig setting though the only difference between two fonts are their family of serif and sans-serif and their font width are identical.
I don't think the variable line weight which is characteristic of Mincho typeface is comfortable with the daily use of the terminal say. which uses the monospaced font. that's why we have ever preferred Gothic typeface for monospaced font rather than Mincho typeface I think.
Font family of serif, sans-serif, monospace is the mixture classification of font shape and font width. And it's difficult to fully fit Japanese font to English culture. I think your policy is not logical but technical. But I understand it's your policy as a packager. Please change the status to CLOSED/WONTFIX. Thank you for the discussion.
Hmm, not (that much) talking about the technical things but mainly worrying about usability. aside from that as I suggested at comment #1, using ipa-pmincho-fonts prior to ipa-mincho-fonts sounds good to me though. FWIW I just noticed that we assign Courier font to Monospace but not to Serif anymore, which has ever used for Serif. in that sense adding ipa-mincho-fonts to Monospace may makes sense. I don't know if it's similar case for this and also don't know if there are any chance that it could be used as the primary font on Monospace.
ipa-pmincho-fonts has a priority than ipa-mincho-fonts for serif now. I however am still opposed to add ipa-mincho-fonts to monospace because the above comments. for that request, unfortunately I won't fix that.