Bug 573532 - Provide debuginfo for multilib secondary architectures
Summary: Provide debuginfo for multilib secondary architectures
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Status: CLOSED WONTFIX
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: distribution
Version: 15
Hardware: x86_64
OS: Linux
low
low
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Roland McGrath
QA Contact: Bill Nottingham
URL:
Whiteboard:
: 710196 (view as bug list)
Depends On: 185590 528419
Blocks:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2010-03-15 04:54 UTC by Matt McCutchen
Modified: 2014-03-17 03:22 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Doc Type: Bug Fix
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Last Closed: 2012-08-07 20:16:53 UTC
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Description Matt McCutchen 2010-03-15 04:54:44 UTC
Description of problem:
debuginfo-install on a multilib system cannot find debuginfo packages for secondary architectures.  Since it appears that no effort was made to make these packages available to debuginfo-install, I'm filing this bug against the distribution rather than yum-utils.

If this was a conscious decision (as suggested by bug 480385 comment #0), I think it is misguided.  A user who needs a secondary-architecture library to run another program may want to debug that library too.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
Fedora 12; yum-utils-1.1.26-1.fc12.noarch

How reproducible:
Always

Steps to Reproduce (on x86_64):
debuginfo-install wine-core-1.1.38-1.fc12.i686

Actual results:
"No debuginfo packages available to install"

Expected results:
The debuginfo is installed.

Comment 1 Matt McCutchen 2010-06-16 23:39:33 UTC
Adding a dependency on bug 185590, since that would allow the x86_64 repo to include debuginfo for only the multilib-eligible subpackages of an i686 component.

Comment 2 Jeff Johnson 2010-06-17 01:36:56 UTC
And how exactly is #185590 -- an RFE for per-subpackage -debuginfo --
related to "... no effort was made to make thse packages available ...,"

Details please. The connection and "blocker" status is fascinating ...

Comment 3 Matt McCutchen 2010-06-17 01:54:51 UTC
The dependency is not hard.  This bug could be fixed without bug 185590, but it would mean that the x86_64 fedora-debuginfo repo would contain the debuginfo for multilib-ineligible i686 subpackages that are not in the x86_64 fedora repo, which would be weird.

Comment 4 Jeff Johnson 2010-06-17 02:14:19 UTC
Instead of running around and cross linking every bug
report that you can find with "-debuginfo", you
_REALLY_ ought to just try and see whatever you wish
to have happen with -debuginfo packages.

It truly isn't that hard, -debuginfo packages are _EXACTLY
sub-packages. And the debuginfo prodcution is done at the end-of
%install. Copy whatever you want to try to %install, and append
    exit 0
to disable the automagic.

You will have a much better sense of what is needed if you try and see.

Arguing with me is quite useless, since I already know my answers
and RPM flaws quite well.

Comment 5 Matt McCutchen 2010-06-17 02:37:04 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> Instead of running around and cross linking every bug
> report that you can find with "-debuginfo",

You're welcome to dispute any dependency you think is wrong.

> you
> _REALLY_ ought to just try and see whatever you wish
> to have happen with -debuginfo packages.
> 
> It truly isn't that hard, -debuginfo packages are _EXACTLY
> sub-packages. And the debuginfo prodcution is done at the end-of
> %install. Copy whatever you want to try to %install, and append
>     exit 0
> to disable the automagic.
> 
> You will have a much better sense of what is needed if you try and see.

That's a good idea.  But the way in which I am willing to contribute at this time is by writing about issues on a conceptual level.  If the Fedora RPM maintainers find it unhelpful, I will stop.  If you find it unhelpful, you are welcome to un-CC yourself.

> Arguing with me is quite useless, since I already know my answers
> and RPM flaws quite well.    

I'm responding to your points in an effort to convince the Fedora RPM maintainers, not you.

Comment 6 Jeff Johnson 2010-06-17 02:41:42 UTC
What makes you think that re-iterating ancient issues w -debuginfo
convinces anyone?

Do you really believe that there aren't fundamental reasons
why, say, -debuginfo production issues are unsolved 5+ years later?


But good luck convincing anyone by cross-linking bugzilla reports!

Comment 7 Matt McCutchen 2010-06-17 03:09:25 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> Do you really believe that there aren't fundamental reasons
> why, say, -debuginfo production issues are unsolved 5+ years later?

I believe the only reason is that no one cared enough.  And probably still no one cares enough, but that could change at any time.  That's not at all unusual in F/OSS.

If there is a fundamental technical obstacle to solving the issues, you could help by telling us about it.

Comment 8 Jeff Johnson 2010-06-17 03:22:04 UTC
You're welcome for the pointer to OpenSuSE per-subpackage
-debuginfo packages. And I've explained the technical flaws at length
already.

And in fact: No one cares, largely because o fbugzilla  administrivia, wading
through conceptual explanations of already known flaws, that are cross-linked
and resurrected and re-hashed endlessly without being fixed.

Comment 9 Jeff Johnson 2010-07-18 18:22:13 UTC
And so the bugzilla administrivia arrives, all nicely attached and depended from
bugzilla data searching ... lessee ... bz #185590 was opened 2006-03-15
more than 4 years ago with nothing but opinions attached.

The latest opinion is that since this bug changed state, all the other
bugs should be re-opened. That's work for Yet More opinion clooction
poifectly.

Good job! Good luck!

Comment 10 Matt McCutchen 2010-10-21 12:54:43 UTC
Cleaning up after a careless clone of bug 528419 to RHEL.

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Comment 12 Bug Zapper 2010-12-03 17:20:04 UTC
Fedora 12 changed to end-of-life (EOL) status on 2010-12-02. Fedora 12 is 
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If you can reproduce this bug against a currently maintained version of 
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Comment 13 Bill Nottingham 2011-06-02 17:43:38 UTC
*** Bug 710196 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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