Bug 588553 - [enh] apply IP configuration when available instead of waiting for parallel methods to complete
Summary: [enh] apply IP configuration when available instead of waiting for parallel m...
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: NetworkManager
Version: 14
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Dan Williams
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
Depends On:
Blocks: 538499
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2010-05-03 22:32 UTC by Tore Anderson
Modified: 2012-03-15 14:48 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Doc Type: Bug Fix
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Last Closed: 2012-03-15 14:48:03 UTC
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/var/log/messages (9.66 KB, text/plain)
2010-05-03 22:32 UTC, Tore Anderson
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Snippet from /var/log/messages (6.63 KB, text/plain)
2010-12-04 14:28 UTC, Tore Anderson
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Description Tore Anderson 2010-05-03 22:32:21 UTC
Created attachment 411152 [details]


When connecting to a IPv6-only network (using DHCPv6 and SLAAC at least), it takes a long time for the connection to be usable.  Even though NM receives all the necessary IPv6 information from the RA and DHCPv6 request shortly after activating the connection, the DNS servers as well as the DHCPv6-supplied address aren't actually committed until after the DHCPv4 request has timed out.  See attached log - even though all necessary IPv6 connection was known at 00:25:04, the connection wasn't actually usable before about 00:25:50.

Not a critical bug by all means, but a rough edge that's certainly smoothable.  :-)


Comment 1 Tore Anderson 2010-05-03 22:34:33 UTC
Forgot to mention, both IPv4 and IPv6 modes are "automatic", as I'm mostly interested in testing the "out of the box" experience.  In the opposite case, with DHCPv4 service and no IPv6 at all, there's no such delay.


Comment 2 Dan Williams 2010-05-04 21:30:30 UTC
Yeah, at this point we wait for all modes to complete or time out.  Internally in NetworkManager there are some architectural issues that need to be solved for this issue to be fixed up.

The problem with DHCPv4 is that the timeout is very long; you need to wait for at least 60 - 120 seconds before timing out the DHCP request since some networks have very slow DHCP, or the DHCP broadcast packets could get lost on chatty or unreliable networks (on the fringe of wifi range for example).

With IPv6 we time out RAs in 20 seconds, so by the time the DHCPv4 completes in many cases we've already timed out the RA since nothing replied within 20 seconds.

So we'll leave this open until we can do some internal rework to allow better parallel configuration here.

Another open question is how apps are going to respond.  Many apps aren't yet IPv6 aware, and if NM says "hey we're connected" but only to IPv6, apps might try to do stuff and fail because they are expecting IPv4 connectivity.  WE'll have to see if that's an issue in practice.

Comment 3 Dan Williams 2010-05-04 21:39:20 UTC
Note that we can make the latency lower by handling DHCPv4 slightly differently; but we'd need to get events from the DHCP client to do so.  Most of the time if there is a DHCP server on the link it will reply to the request fairly quickly (say within 30 seconds) but it's the subsequent OFFER/CONFIRM conversation that takes longer to complete.

Thus, if the DHCP client were able to tell is if a server replied *at all* at any point during the conversation, we could then provide a better experience and lower latency.  If no server replies at all within 30 or 40 seconds, then we kill the attempt and assume IPv4 is dead.  But if some server replies initially within that time, we increase the timeout and allow the DHCP attempt to proceed for and additional 60 seconds or so, since there's clearly *something* on the link.

This is quite useful for the fringe/loaded network scenario to improve the experience, and would be useful here even if we can't improve the NM architecture as quickly.

It does however require changes to dhclient/dhcpcd to add an extra event.

Comment 4 Tore Anderson 2010-05-13 13:44:17 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)

> Another open question is how apps are going to respond.  Many apps aren't yet
> IPv6 aware, and if NM says "hey we're connected" but only to IPv6, apps might
> try to do stuff and fail because they are expecting IPv4 connectivity.  WE'll
> have to see if that's an issue in practice.    

I don't think there's too many applications left that do not support IPv6, and if they don't, it's a bug in those applications and not something NM should attempt to work around.  Bug #195271 tracks the individual bugs submitted on applications due to the lack of IPv6 support - at the time of writing, only ten depending bugs are open (two of them in NM).

From the applications I use often, currently only the NFS kernel server and the Transmission daemon's XML-RPC remote control interface do not properly support IPv6.

I doubt that many (if any) of the applications that don't support IPv6 integrates with NM to determine online/offline state anyway.  Also, I believe all of the commonly used applications installed by default (like Firefox, Evolution, Empathy, and so on), have very mature support for IPv6.

So I really don't think that this is something you need to be concerned about.


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Comment 7 Tore Anderson 2010-12-04 14:28:38 UTC
Created attachment 464751 [details]
Snippet from /var/log/messages

The issue is still present in Fedora 14 (NetworkManager-0.8.1-10.git20100831.fc14.x86_64), see attached log.  Re-opening.

Comment 8 Dan Williams 2012-03-15 14:48:03 UTC
This feature has been in F17 since 0.9.3.x (ie, 0.9.4 devel snapshots)

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