Skynet needs a new name. Please submit your suggestions. Gary has suggested Topika.
Sky mind.
Hive TopicMS (Topic Management System) Tropic (get it? like Topic, but with cool logo potential) We could ask Ryan if we could reuse Endoculator...
JCCMS -- Java Component Content Management System
The Borg
Aytabtu "All Your Topics Are Belong to Us"
The Matthew Casperson Project ONBI (Oracle's Next Big Idea)
Topica and Topika are both in use. I don't think we should assume names that are existing companies, or that have history as a domain. Personally I'd like seeing a name similar to the JBoss method of "something-something". From Serbo-croatian: Tema = topic Mala = small TemaMala It doesn't roll off the tongue very well. Is there a guide for syllables in successful names? Three? Temala Mala (or mali) is often used as a sign of affection. It also ties in with having little chunks of modular information. MalaMod ModiMala If the name is still up in the air, we could do a lunch time mood board session and invite everyone in. Open source it IRL...
Lol, temamala = "evil topic" in Spanish.
Topikinator Topikitron Topiktronik Or how about a Sanskrit theme: Vyasa, sanskrit for "divide", after the legendary sage Krishna Dvaipayana Vyasadeva who divided the original Veda ("knowledge"), which was an oral tradition, into a number of books that were then entrusted to various sages, and put into written form. According to the story, Ganesha, the elephant-headed son of Shiva and Parvati, took the role of Vyasa's scribe, but only on the condition that he would quit as soon as Vyasa stopped speaking. So Vyasa spoke non-stop, and Ganesha wrote down the separate books of the newly divided Veda. Another Sanskrit theme would be "Sankhya", which means "categorization". It's a form of enumeration of categories of reality. The Sankhya element of any philosophy is its division of the domain of discourse into its constituent elements, which is what our system does.
What about something like: DocForge DocFoundry DocFactory TopicFactory TopicForge DocCMS RTFMulator :) TopicDoctor (get it?) DocWrap DocBuilder DocManager Docify Bookify
Created attachment 579131 [details] Ganesha Silhouette - potential logo Here's a silhouette of Ganesha writing down the divided Vedas. Goes with the idea of "Vyasa" or "Vyasadev" as a name.
As a student of the humanities, I have to point out it's potentially dangerous to use ideas from other cultures when we don't fully understand them. I'm jumping to conclusions here, but from your names it looks like nobody has direct access to a Sanskrit culture, and neither do I, so we don't necessarily understand what it means to use the word "Vyasa." It may be harmless, or even positive, but you never know. On the other hand, it's a distinct break from open-source/Internet naming practices, and that's good. But now that I think of it, it's even worse for potential cultural misappropriation, because we may unintentionally cause other projects to do worse things. So recruit an expert and ask (which could be one of you already on this thread--I judged based on your names, but obviously non-Sanskrit names on Bugzilla doesn't prevent you from direct access to a Sanskrit culture). Now to be more positive. We can safely steal from non-English cultures when it's neutral: words from Latin, Greek, German, French, Italian, Spanish, and maybe other languages are possibilities. Inspired by David's "Temala" a few posts earlier, in German: Thema = topic Gesamt- = prefix I think is like "aggregate" Gesamthema! It's even a (misspelled) real word! Or in French: Savoir = Knowledge of things Classe = Logical category ClaSavoir? Or if we take a conjugated form of "savoir": Classais. I like this because it sounds like "classé" which means "categorized" or "classified."
I think Christopher raises some good points about using words we don't fully understand. I hesitate to endorse using French words only because they'll be difficult for lots of people to pronounce. I'm interested in "Thema." However, I think we want to emphasise that this is about documentation, not about "topics." It is a component content management system. The word "topic" doesn't mean anything to anyone who is not versed in DITA or Docbook 5. So what about words like "Document" or "Component" or "Build"? Or "Morph" because we want to build multiple types of thing from the same source. Kind of like Object Oriented Documentation. OOD. Hmm.
(In reply to comment #13) > I'm interested in "Thema." However, > I think we want to emphasise that this is about documentation, not about > "topics." It is a component content management system. The word "topic" doesn't > mean anything to anyone who is not versed in DITA or Docbook 5. +1 -- this is a CCMS; introducing the notion of topics in the naming introduces a fundamental red herring. Hence my suggestion at #3 above -- JCCMS. > Or "Morph" > because we want to build multiple types of thing from the same source. This is, IMHO, another, different red herring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa Vyasadeva is quite well-known Westerners who have spent time studying Sanskrit and Indian philosophical/religious traditions through an interest in yoga or Vedic philosophy. Vyasa is the divider of the Veda, but at the same time he is a unifying figure, rather than a divisive one. The story of Vyasadeva is used to explain and synthesise the disparate philosophical thought streams of India: he creates them all, for people in different stages of consciousness. A good example of this is the back story given in the Bhagavat Purana [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavata_Purana] to explain its own origin. Vyasadeva is the author of the Mahabharata (which is India's equivalent of the Iliad / Odyssey), and he has a conversation with Narada Muni (who frequently shows up at a point that the plot needs moving on or some commentary needs to be delivered in-scene). Narada explains that Vyasa needs to write yet another book, because his previous books have not described the complete truth, but only part of it; and so are misleading when taken in isolation. Hence: he writes the Bhagavat Purana to expound a new, higher understanding. That's how something is added to the canon, it ascribes its authorship to Vyasadeva. The wikipedia article on Vyasa says: "The Yoga Bhasya is a commentary on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. Vyasa is credited with this work also, though this is impossible, if Vyasa's immortality is not considered, as it is a later text." Which kind of misses the point of either Vyasadeva's immortality (if you take it from within the perspective of the tradition) or Vyasadeva's function as a synthesizing literary device (if you take it from a perspective outside the tradition). A classic example of this synthetic function (or evidence of his immortality, depending on your perspective) is Madhavacarya's 13th century commentary on Bhagavad-gita - a part of Vyasadeva's Mahabharata. To establish the authority of his commentary, Madhavacarya makes a pilgrimage to Vyasadeva's residence at Badrikasrama. There he meets Vyasadeva, who explains to Madhavacarya the contents of the Gita commentary that he goes on to write. Personally, I think the dual synthesizing / dividing function of Vyasa - "the divider" - is a perfect metaphor for the system. It's pretty easy to pronounce too.
Oh, the citation for Madhavacarya's visit to Badarikasrama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhvacharya#Visit_to_Badri
I would recommend avoiding cultural references closely aligned with any religious system, for risk of offending the adherents of that or any different religious system.
Without a doubt we can get some fringe group to protest it. :-)
Rudi, JCCMS might also be misleading... With limited real estate in the name, I don't know that the implementation language is really that relevant to end users (it might even change in the future). Also, it could be parsed as "Java Component" Content Management System.... I think that CCMS is its category, so just like we might talk about the Drupal CMS, we will eventually talk about the "X" CCMS, where X is the new name.... In terms of names, something with no presently existing meaning in the namespace is less likely to be misinterpreted / misleading. The big names are always something like "Pink Floyd" "The Beatles" "The Rolling Stones" "Alfresco" "Oracle" "Linux" "Solaris" "Apple" "Metallica" (ok, so it *is* a little bit like Heavy Metal) They don't try to be descriptive, they try to be distinctive, and have no prior meaning in the namespace. They become the definition of that term in the namespace. "Gnome" and "KDE" both started out as initialisms, but how many people know their origins now? They have become a signifier for the gestalt of Gnome and KDE, respectively. So I think something distinct and not descriptive is the way to go.
(In reply to comment #19) > "Gnome" and "KDE" both started out as initialisms, but how many people know > their origins now? They have become a signifier for the gestalt of Gnome and > KDE, respectively. Yep, in precisely the same way that, in time, JCCMS would come to refer to this tool, regardless of any knowledge of the initialism or the original implementation language (or environment). Consider the following dialogue from 2017: "What does the 'J' stand for?" "Nothing, but originally it stood for 'Java'; or maybe 'JBoss'." "But JCCMS is written in Python, isn't it?" "Yeah, but it was originally in Java, back in the day." Anyway, the "J" doesn't even have to stand for anything, exactly like the "K" in "KDE".
True dat. (In reply to comment #20) > Anyway, the "J" doesn't even have to stand for anything, exactly like the "K" > in "KDE".
OK, how 'bout: C3MS (possible variants: C-3MS or C3-MS) Features: * Got the robot vibe going on * Does not contain the potentially confusing "CMS" substring ("JC CMS - Righteous Content Management!") * Unambiguous pronunciation * Internally rhyming And when someone asks us about the name, we can tell them: Well, it used to be CCCMS, or the "C" CCMS, because back in the day it was.... the "Cthulu CCMS" – but that was millions of years before the existence of the human race. Now I know we're treading dangerously close to someone's religious system (with the apocryphal backstory at least), but I submit that those people are either: (a) already institutionalized, and hence ineligible to hold public office, vote, or sue us; or (b) a disembodied head in the Miskatonic University basement, who will rely on the janitor to wheel him over to a computer to furiously type us a complaint. Yeah, ok - I just Googled it and it's already in use. Scratch that idea...
Gnome's system is called "Mallard". It's named after a duck*. Maybe we need to go on a vision quest to find our animal spirit totem... * and it doesn't get on the first page of Google for the term, unsurprisingly; not that that is an absolute indicator of anything, but Metallica get on the first page for a search for their name....
Or how about: "Dystopia CCMS" It doesn't take a huge mental leap to go from Dystopia to Dystopic (see what I did there?) - as in "the Dystopic Future under the metal heel of robotic overlords who rose up from servitude to conquer their former masters and rule the world". It's kinda edgy, better than Utopic, Utopia, or Eutopia, methinks. And the back story is.... "back in the day, when humans were still running the place and Docbook and DITA were the only xml schemas in town, it used to support *topics*!"
If we're looking at animals, about pachyderm or pachiderm, because an elephant never forgets. But mostly because I love elephants!
(In reply to comment #3) > JCCMS -- Java Component Content Management System Building on this idea a little: It's not musch of a stretch to consider that this should be a JBoss* project, hosted on the JBoss infrastructure, rather than Sourceforge. That's a separate, but related discussion. However: Since JBoss AS 7.1 is now packaged in Fedora, the previous distinction between the two is becoming blurred - "JBoss and Fedora: two great flavors that taste great together!" In that case, we might envision the J as signifying "JBoss". The JBoss guidelines for project naming are sensible. To get approval, a name cannot be a generic term that describes the technology (these are reserved for Enterprise products like EAP or EDG); a name should be distinctive, and it should be defensible as a trademark. Examples of JBoss project names include: Switchyard Errai Overlord (damn - already taken!) Choosing a name that works as a JBoss project name, if nothing else, ensures forward-compatibility if it does move into the JBoss stable. Some more suggestions with this in mind (you can assume the following "CCMS" category identifier): Sentient Rise of the Robot Elephant Megaton (mashing up the elephant idea with the robot-run nuclear apocalypse) Elephantron * which, back in the day, stood for "Java Beans Open Source Server" - up until the letter arrived from Sun's lawyers...
Can you guys please keep the stream-of-consciousness to a dull roar and just suggest names? :)
Purple Scribulator Indoctrination Alexandria
Miskatonic University CCMS
My mostly-serious but slightly tongue-in-cheek suggestion probably is that you call it "Ointment". Just imagine the branding possibilities! It takes the pain out of writing documentation! It's for "topical use only". Besides, then you could make an awesome joke about the connections between Zanata (formerly called Flies) and this new software by joking that "there's a fly in the ointment". Or, just tell me if it's too crazy, and I'll go back to my day job.
(In reply to comment #31) > My mostly-serious but slightly tongue-in-cheek suggestion probably is that you > call it "Ointment". Just imagine the branding possibilities! It takes the > pain out of writing documentation! It's for "topical use only". > > Besides, then you could make an awesome joke about the connections between > Zanata (formerly called Flies) and this new software by joking that "there's a > fly in the ointment". > > Or, just tell me if it's too crazy, and I'll go back to my day job. Hahaha, I think it's great! "The System Formerly Known as Skynet" is designed as a platform, so it can (and does) loosely couple with other platforms and systems like Bugzilla, Brew and Zanata in an agnostic manner. The design is very much influenced by this manifesto: https://plus.google.com/112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX
"The System Formerly Known as Skynet"; or "The Platform Formerly Known as Skynet"
I might suggest, "Matilda," or "Matilda CMS" which I got from combining some characters from DITA and Mallard. I looked for other duck-related names to continue the DocBook -> Mallard duck theme, but didn't find anything appropriate. By the way, I'm a member of the GNOME docs team, and only stumbled here via a suggestion from Petr Kovar to check out this project.
(In reply to comment #34) > I looked for other duck-related names to continue the DocBook -> Mallard duck > theme, but didn't find anything appropriate. This might help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duck_breeds
CIPOT Completely Integrated Publishing Output Tool also, it's "Topic" spelt backwards.
JCCMS sounds like a government product. Initialism by committee. Pantone beige. What would Shadowman do? - Easy to say - Easy to type - Something to stand in front of a crowd and pitch - Associated imagery - Point of difference to our competition - Avoid boring like the plague - Avoid lawsuits like the plague - Maximum zombie resistance This rules out unnecessary use of mixed case (sorry oXygen), or any situation where an obsessive nerd will have to spend the rest of their life attempting to correct pronunciation (GNU/Linux/LOL). The holy grail for me is a name like Kindle. Not only is this a cleverly related piece of imagery, but it avoids the temptation to make obvious compounds of generic industry terms, and flips it on its head. "Yeah, we totally burn books... kindle!" We need to burn the memory of lengthy documentation that no one wants to read. Or use some other elemental force (think Captain Planet).
I actually like the potential around misty's RTFMulator. It makes me think "Read The Manual". RTM. Artiem. Also something to be said for brevity. Just "Doctor". Terrible for web searches, awesome for sci-fi fans. Which, in itself, is a good reminder of great naming - such as the TARDIS. Such a fun word to say. Actual acronyms beat initialisms every damn day. A shame about Microsoft, or we could have called it "Word Up", with dope street cred and the most illin' beats this side of 1986. "Word Up to yo documentation, yeaaaah boyyeeeee!"* *I blame cold and flu medication. Prescribed, not abused.
Artiem is good! A quick Google search reveals it to be a "Fresh People" (?) hotel chain in Spain. Sufficiently different space? Some other ideas: The Manualator The Manualizer E-Manual all together now! The E-Manualator
(In reply to comment #37) > - Easy to say > - Easy to type > - Something to stand in front of a crowd and pitch > - Associated imagery > - Point of difference to our competition > - Avoid boring like the plague > - Avoid lawsuits like the plague > - Maximum zombie resistance I think that many of the duck breeds in the article linked in comment #35 meet these requirements. Additionally, Wiktionary has a list of the word for "duck" in many languages: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/duck#Translations and Wikipedia has a list of dishes prepared using duck meat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_%28food%29#Dishes
"Golden Cascade" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duck_breeds
Canard (french for duck, also slang for Newspaper) http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/duck#Translations English: A false or misleading report or story, especially if deliberately so. Specifically, the term Canard refers to a tactic used by a parent duck to deceptively draw a predator away from its offspring or nest by quacking and feigning a broken wing. In other words the "Canard" or "Duck" is lying. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canard
Suggestion: GhostLamp Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness Why? It uses JBoss components. It should have a JBoss style name like RiftSaw.
(In reply to comment #43) > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness > > Why? It uses JBoss components. It should have a JBoss style name like RiftSaw. Oh, I like this very much! +1
Love the lamp. Love the strap line. Not sold on the ghost. Also for anyone with a childhood even remotely matching mine, this opens the gate for many years of lampin. Lampin, lampin', stone cold lampin'... http://youtu.be/wqwYnVOQfrY Yeeeeeeeeeah boyeeeeeeee! ColdLamp!
I am all about this name. +1 to anything anybody else says about how good it is. I don't know what lampin' is and it sounds too silly for this thread. (In reply to comment #43) > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness > > Why? It uses JBoss components. It should have a JBoss style name like RiftSaw.
+1 for GhostLamp I think it works well as sharing topics is kinda like having a ghost-writer ;)
(In reply to comment #43) > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness > > Why? It uses JBoss components. It should have a JBoss style name like RiftSaw. +1 and the tag line works too :)
(In reply to comment #43) > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness Quite apt, because there is *nothing* else like our little home grown CCMS out there in FOSS land. I've looked. > > Why? It uses JBoss components. It should have a JBoss style name like RiftSaw. Absolutely. This would also ease the transition into JBoss-land should the project need to go there. Futureproofing. If this name gathers momentum, I would get legal onto this ASAP to register the name for a time when GhostLamp is ready to go viral.
Another +1 for GhostLamp. Flavourful, meaningful, sounds cool. I like it.
GhostLamp makes me think of bad Nicholas Cage movies. I like Artiem.
(In reply to comment #49) > (In reply to comment #43) > > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness > > Quite apt, because there is *nothing* else like our little home grown CCMS out > there in FOSS land. I've looked. The original, and still the gold standard IMHO: http://writing-technical.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/dita-tools-1.html
I like Artie M. But I have no compunction enlisting in the GhostLamp Army.
> (In reply to comment #49) > > (In reply to comment #43) > > > Suggestion: GhostLamp > > > > > > Tag line: Leading the way in the darkness > > > > Quite apt, because there is *nothing* else like our little home grown CCMS out > > there in FOSS land. I've looked. > > The original, and still the gold standard IMHO: > > http://writing-technical.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/dita-tools-1.html Wrong link, but the binary matters, not the people linking it: https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/reg/download.do?source=swg-iiaw&lang=en_US&S_PKG=lnx&cp=UTF-8&dlmethod=http But I'm putting it on my file.bne for anyone interested.
(In reply to comment #52) > The original, and still the gold standard IMHO: > > http://writing-technical.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/dita-tools-1.html Oh, so maybe: JIAW?
I still really like Artiem, but I wonder if it is possible to come up with something for the acronym, WTM (write the manual) instead of RTM as the project is for writers not readers. I'll keep thinking about it, but I haven't come up with anything yet.
Two suggestions: 1. "DocBites" - As in "Bite-sized pieces of documentation" 2. I also like GhostLamp, but if anyone isn't sold on the "Ghost" part, I suggest an alternative: "LampLight"
An aside chatting to anross: "SkyLamp GhostNet" SkyLamp makes me smile. Draws its heritage from Skynet and the new name alike.
FWIW, I don't think that LampLight, SkyLamp, or GhostNet quite have the "ring" of GhostLamp. Also, SkyLamp makes me think of "Skylab", the doomed American space station that burned up over Western Australia in July 1979.
Now we've got the new name, can we close this off?
New name is PressGang CCMS. Thanks everyone for your help.
I still think JCCMS is a better name