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Description of problem: VM guest installs of Fedora are becoming increasingly common. It doesn't really make sense to run virt inside a guest I think so I would like to suggest that virt support (gnome-boxes) should not be installed by default.
This is probably best solved with the idea of default-on-but-able-to-be-deselected option groups.
(In reply to comment #1) > This is probably best solved with the idea of > default-on-but-able-to-be-deselected option groups. +1 I think we had some early on for F18 which I liked.
Another good candidate for this would be desktop accessibility IMHO, and also apps like evolution.
Maybe also input-methods
I don't think accessibility or internationalization are optional. What are we trying to achieve here ? Is this another minimal-install-in-disguise ?
I would like the core gnome group to be just for the core desktop itself and then have one or more optional default groups for applications (ie which would be installed by default) for things like evolution, gnome-boxes, totem, etc. I think not everyone needs accessibility so being able to skip it would be okay - similarly some users will never use input methods so I would not object to having @input-method shown in anaconda (defaulting to checked) allowing people to skip installation. Anyway I originally filed this bug since I felt it is a little strange to install gnome-boxes by default since it can't really be used in VM guests where many people install fedora. Myself I am quite used to virt-manager. In the early F18 cycle various default groups were listed and could be deselected before install which I thought was quite attractive. I think this could be use for many of the Fedora desktop and other environments too.
evo and boxes I could see being separate-but-selected-by-default. i18n & a11y should be core desktop features, IMO.
(In reply to comment #7) > evo and boxes I could see being separate-but-selected-by-default. Okay, how do you think, Matthias?
and of course how could I forget libreoffice!
I've sent patches to yum/anaconda to allow the possibility of options that are selected by default.
Great thanks! Let me assign back to Bill since I think this also is applicable beyond just the @desktop group/environment. (actually wish that yum was also aware of environments)
(In reply to comment #10) > I've sent patches to yum/anaconda to allow the possibility of options that > are selected by default. Bill, do you know if it has been committed yet? (I guess libreoffice is only installed by default on Live.)
It's only in updates-testing for yum, so not pushed to anaconda yet.
Pushed to anaconda now. Moving things like gnome-boxes, evolution, etc. outside of gnome-desktop would require creating new groups, which is new translatable strings. Would prefer not to do that at this point. I've gone ahead and changed the libreoffice group to default to on, though (to match the live image.)
notting, What will be final status for libreoffice essential packages for F19 GA for livecd? Will they be now onwards be available as default installed packages for livecd?
LibreOffice is on the Desktop Live Image (not CD sized). They are also default-selected on the DVD when the GNOME environment is selected.
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