|Summary:||Future Feature: Better crash reports with bug-buddy|
|Product:||[Fedora] Fedora||Reporter:||Tim McConnell <timothy.mcconnell>|
|Component:||bug-buddy||Assignee:||Will Woods <wwoods>|
|Status:||CLOSED CURRENTRELEASE||QA Contact:||Fedora Extras Quality Assurance <extras-qa>|
|Version:||rawhide||CC:||abartlet, beland, poelstra, triage|
|Fixed In Version:||Doc Type:||Enhancement|
|Doc Text:||Story Points:||---|
|Last Closed:||2010-10-02 21:13:39 UTC||Type:||---|
|oVirt Team:||---||RHEL 7.3 requirements from Atomic Host:|
|Bug Depends On:||487587, 490778|
Description Tim McConnell 2007-10-16 16:58:48 UTC
Description of problem: Debugger installed by default Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible: Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. Actual results: unusable crash reports via bug-buddy Expected results: I would like to ask if it would be possible/feasible to include the debuginfo packages for GNOME by default when installing programs. The reason I ask is because of two bugs in particular, 1)http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487179 2)http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=440422 As you can see by the information generated from BugBuddy without the debugger installed there is no usable information in the crash reports. I feel that if the debuginfo packages were installed by default then it would help in the "triage" of bugs and speed up repair of bug fixes and give the maintainers the information they need to squash the bugs quicker. If this is not possible then why not? Thanks, Additional info:
Comment 1 Jesse Keating 2007-11-15 17:39:25 UTC
debuginfo packages are way too huge to install by default and to keep updated. I do believe our QA folks are working on a method by which you can submit your core and debuginfo will be generated on server side. Will?
Comment 2 Will Woods 2007-11-15 18:03:46 UTC
Actually the debugger *is* available and installed by default - it's what makes those tracebacks. Jesse is right: what's missing is the debuginfo packages. Currently we make the user manually install debuginfo and reproduce the crash. It's really not that hard, though: yum install yum-utils debuginfo-install $PACKAGENAME There's a couple of possible approaches to automating this: 1) Offer to automatically install debuginfo after a crash - Requires user to wait while we download gobs of debugging info - Requires extending bug-buddy in distro-specific ways. 2) Upload complete core file to retracing server, then send to upstream - User doesn't have to wait while downloading debuginfo - Possibility of exposing sensitive user data - Requires server-side core dump retracing process, mechanism for sending bugs upstream - This is how Ubuntu's Apport works. (But they don't really send bugs upstream) We worked on the second approach during the F8 development cycle but found that it exposes too much user data and requires too much complexity on the server side. For F9 I plan on talking to the bug-buddy developers to find out how hard it would be to get hooks for fetching debuginfo packages. In the future we could probably use PackageKit for this, which would make the distro-specific pieces quite small.
Comment 3 Tim McConnell 2007-11-16 05:45:48 UTC
Just a thought, what about if when you enable the debug info repositories the option is available to install the debugger packages. Or make the the debuggers that are listed in http://live.gnome.org/GettingTraces part of the ISO?
Comment 4 Christopher Beland 2008-02-27 18:28:05 UTC
I'm doing "debuginfo-install `rpm -qa | grep -v debuginfo`" to solve this problem for myself, in the short term. Unfortunately, due to bug 427579, yum will install a whole bunch of non-debuginfo packages you don't need. I'm manually overriding the dependency check that prevents me from removing them. It will certainly be nice for non-technical users to be able submit useful crash reports, without needing to understand what's going wrong or fiddling with the command line.
Comment 5 Bug Zapper 2008-05-14 14:45:51 UTC
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Comment 6 Will Woods 2008-05-14 16:09:34 UTC
Now that some time has passed - the Right Way To Do This is either: a) have bug-buddy offer to fetch debuginfo (hooking into PackageKit to make it happen in a distro-agnostic way), or b) Retrace submitted crashes on the server, apport-style. Needs further discussion but this is still valid.
Comment 7 Christopher Beland 2009-02-18 12:59:56 UTC
A fix is apparently targeted for Fedora 11: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DebuginfoFS
Comment 8 Tim McConnell 2009-10-25 12:11:16 UTC
Is anyone still working on this?
Comment 9 Christopher Beland 2010-10-01 14:22:25 UTC
ABRT now does this automatically. Shall we close?