Bug 435133

Summary:	kde3 apps need khelpcenter service/app
Product:	[Fedora] Fedora	Reporter:	Rex Dieter <rdieter>
Component:	kdebase3	Assignee:	Than Ngo <than>
Status:	CLOSED WONTFIX	QA Contact:	Fedora Extras Quality Assurance <extras-qa>
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Version:	rawhide	CC:	fedora, kevin, rdieter
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Description Rex Dieter 2008-02-27 16:15:51 UTC

OK, here's an ugly truth I discovered. :)

kde3 apps need both /usr/share/services/khelpcenter.desktop and
/usr/bin/khelpcenter to be able to display their handbook/documentation (Help ->
<foo> Handbook)

Turns out we had recently omitted khelpcenter from kdebase3 and lost
/usr/share/services/khelpcenter.desktop.  I just reverted that, for now.

In the meantime, many kde3 apps have no direct dependency on khelpcenter.  Point
is, what should we do:
1.  Allow apps to be installed without khelpcenter infrastructure (status quo).
2.  Add a khelpcenter dependency somewhere global, say, kdelibs (or equivalent),
so khelpcenter is always available.
3.  Add a khelpcenter dependency to all kde3 apps.

Either way, a tangential issue is to consider splitting khelpcenter out of
kdebase(3) (kdebase(3)-runtime?), to allow apps finer-grained access to this
(even on F-7/F-8) without pulling in *all* of kdebase.  See amarok bug #426803 ,
for example.

Comment 1 Sebastian Vahl 2008-03-04 08:26:52 UTC

(In reply to comment #0)
> Either way, a tangential issue is to consider splitting khelpcenter out of
> kdebase(3) (kdebase(3)-runtime?), to allow apps finer-grained access to this
> (even on F-7/F-8) without pulling in *all* of kdebase.

+1 

This would also free some space on the live images (bug 435873).

Comment 2 Rex Dieter 2008-04-17 14:48:19 UTC

Discussed on irc with Than, decided to go with plan 1, status quo (for now).

Comment 3 Kevin Kofler 2008-04-17 16:47:29 UTC

For those who read this and haven't followed all our discussions on this issue: 
the original problem was that the applications needed both kdebase3 and 
kdebase-runtime. This was fixed: only a single .desktop file from kdebase3 was 
needed, that is now provided by kdebase-runtime. So now only kdebase-runtime is 
required for help. What's not there is explicit Requires: kdebase-runtime on 
KDE 3 apps using khelpcenter, and I'm not convinced it's a good idea anyway.