Bug 142744 - xorg-x11 - "speedo" fonts are there but are not there
xorg-x11 - "speedo" fonts are there but are not there
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: xorg-x11 (Show other bugs)
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Assigned To: Mike A. Harris
David Lawrence
: 154191 (view as bug list)
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Blocks: FC4Target
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Reported: 2004-12-13 13:51 EST by Michal Jaegermann
Modified: 2007-11-30 17:10 EST (History)
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Description Michal Jaegermann 2004-12-13 13:51:10 EST
Description of problem:

Between FC2 and FC3 (xorg-x11 versions 6.7.0 and 6.8.1)
module vanished. Font files in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
are still there but there are not accessible to a font server;
and I have really good uses for these "black" fonts from there
which otherwise are not available.

The other font support module which disappeared on the same
transition is /usr/X11R6/%{_lib}/modules/fonts/libxtt.a
but its functionality is probably covered by libfreetype.a
or it is not?
Comment 1 Mike A. Harris 2004-12-13 15:23:37 EST
I will need to do a bit of upstream investigation to be 100% certain,
but if I'm not mistaken, the freetype library handles speedo fonts
now, and libspeedo was removed upstream due to that.  Of course
you would need to have a version of freetype installed that handles
the speedo fonts for it to still work.

Again, this is just a vague recollection, and not authoritative, but
I'll find out for sure and update the report.

The libxtt.a module is missing because XTT was obsoleted and removed
from X.Org after freetype acquired the main features that XTT had
been included for - mainly for special uses in the Asia region
(TTCap).  Freetype now includes most or all of the features that
XTT provided in previous releases.  Our upgrade procedure should
munge the config file to remove reference to non-existant
modules however, so this shouldn't pose a problem for anyone.

Comment 3 Owen Taylor 2004-12-13 16:08:07 EST
I'm not aware of any support for the incredibly ancient speedo
format in FreeType .... Bitstream's newer 'pfr' format is supported. 
I consider the correct resolution here is to remove 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo from the font packages.

While clearly there will always be people who really like one
font or another, we ship a pretty comprehensive range of Latin
fonts without the fonts in Speedo format.

Comment 4 Michal Jaegermann 2004-12-13 16:19:51 EST
> if I'm not mistaken, the freetype library handles speedo fonts ...

Maybe this is not that version of 'freetype' module?  I do have
'Load  "freetype"' in xorg.conf but this does not seem to help.

     xfd -fn '-*-*-black-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*'

should be good enough for a test case as these "black" fonts seem
to be available only in a speedo format (at least on a "standard"
installation without fonts from extra sources). 'chkfontpath'
does list '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo' among others.

I do not have at this moment FC3 installation on x86, as opposed
to x86_64, handy to check that there but I have such with "rawhide"
packages. The above 'xfd' command ends up there too with
"Cannot convert string ..." and "no font to display".  No problems
with version 6.7.0 of xorg-x11.

I would not mind dropping support of the format if fonts would
be available in some other format or at least if it would be
possible to find some tools to convert.
Comment 5 Todd Allen 2005-01-09 14:44:25 EST
Just in case you think that almost nobody cares about these speedo
fonts, I thought I'd pipe up and say I miss them, too.  I just spent
an hour figuring out why my window manager's menus all switched to
"fixed" when I upgraded to fc3.  I'd been using the
-bitstream-courier-* fonts, which I hadn't even realized were speedo
fonts.  I'd just picked them because they looked good at the size I
needed them.
Comment 6 Mike A. Harris 2005-04-11 10:25:26 EDT
Support for speedo fonts depends on wether X.Org supports them still or not.
That still has not been confirmed, however I've made a few attempts now to
get a solid answer.  Still waiting.

If X.Org does not support speedo fonts any more, then they are simply not
supported.  You'd have to file a feature request to X.Org to change that
if it is the case.

I'll update the report again if I am able to determine wether they should
still work or not.
Comment 7 Mike A. Harris 2005-04-11 12:39:53 EDT
Ok, I have tracked this problem down and have some solid information to
pass on now.

X.Org intentionally removed Speedo font support because it is very old
and nobody produces these fonts anymore.  Unfortunately, they neglected
to also remove the fonts, so they still get installed.


I have inquired on xorg@freedesktop.org about the rationale for the
decision, and am awaiting responses.  There are two possible solutions
which X.Org will theoretically take:

1) Re-enable speedo font support.


2) Remove the speedo fonts too.

Whichever they decide, we will probably follow their decision for
maintenance consistency.  I'll update the report once someone upstream

Comment 8 Mike A. Harris 2005-04-11 12:44:25 EDT
Additionally, it seems that I was incorrect about freetype supporting
speedo.  I just wanted to state that also, to avoid confusion.
Comment 10 Mike A. Harris 2005-04-16 11:56:23 EDT
*** Bug 154191 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 11 Mike A. Harris 2005-04-16 14:33:21 EDT
Ok, speedo fonts have been disabled in xorg-x11 packaging now, and
I've regenerated the fonts-xorg tarball and updated it to 6.8.2.

New fonts-xorg-6.8.2 is in rawhide now and no longer provides the *.spd
speedo fonts.  The font directory has been removed now and also removed
from xfs configuration.

Upstream X.Org has indicated that they might convert the existing
*.spd fonts into Type1 or TTF files in the future.  If that happens,
they'll be in a future Xorg release.

I'd set the status of this to "RAWHIDE" as I've updated the packages
to remove the fonts, however the initial report indicates that you
want to use these fonts still, and Xorg no longer supports this font
format, so setting status to "WONTFIX" instead, although I guess
it's just semantics...

On a closing note..  If upstream converts the .spd fonts to Type1 or
TTF, feel free to file a new bug report to RFE inclusion of the
converted fonts and we'll consider including them in a future update.

Comment 12 Fedora Update System 2005-09-16 17:26:04 EDT
From User-Agent: XML-RPC

xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.45 has been pushed for FC3, which should resolve this issue.  If these problems are still present in this version, then please make note of it in this bug report.
Comment 13 Michal Jaegermann 2005-09-17 14:41:43 EDT
> xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.45 has been pushed for FC3, which should resolve this issue

I am not sure what this resolution in that particular release should be as
opposed to earlier updates.  Do you mean that conversions suggested in
comment #11 did happen?  Fonts are supplied in various 'fonts-...' packages
anyway and these were not updated right now.

Otherwise /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo and various, currently useless, .spd
files are absent already for quite a while.

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