No channels by default
should login into #fedora irc freenode channel
This would be useful for users who want help from other end users
*** Bug 430217 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
In bug 430217, Valent Turkovic suggested a separate .desktop file (probably on
the desktop so new users can find it more easily) which joins #fedora. I marked
it as a duplicate so the options can be discussed in a single bugzilla entry
and not 2 separate one.
If the .desktop file option is chosen, it would be a bad idea to hardcode XChat
as the client to run, it isn't even installed on the KDE Live spin, for example
(we'd want to run Konversation by default there). Something like xdg-open might
work, also depending on bug 155075.
I believe that this feature should be one-click-irc, without previous setting
the username - the username should be generated automatically - something like
"fedora 9 dvd user 2323", "fedora 11 live cd user 7344" or something shorter...
but you get the general idea. There should be an option to customuze the
username and have a personal username, but the first time a user clicks this
should be one-click-help button on the desktop.
It doesn't matter which client is used for irc, just that it is accessible to
both kde and gnome and that it gets the job done.
I don't think any of our IRC clients supports automatic random username
There could be a script that generates the username and feeds it to irc client.
(In reply to comment #4)
> I believe that this feature should be one-click-irc, without previous setting
> the username - the username should be generated automatically - something like
> "fedora 9 dvd user 2323", "fedora 11 live cd user 7344" or something shorter...
> but you get the general idea. There should be an option to customuze the
> username and have a personal username, but the first time a user clicks this
> should be one-click-help button on the desktop.
I don't think this is necessary -- single dialog "Enter your name and nick"
(with nick defaulting to something generated from the name) should be easy
enough. Having been on http://www.igniterealtime.org/support/group_chat.jsp it
seems to me obvious how automatically generated names tend to lead to the
conversation degradation. People behave sanely when using something at least
slightly individual to them.
You are right, anarchy from apparent anonymity is bad and should be avoided.
*** Bug 450996 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Any chance this becomes a Fedora 10 feature?
Some of the ideas that come from mailing list discussion:
Although this is a good idea I'm not sure how to achieve this
technically: Yes, there is an IRC url scheme , but I'm not sure if
all desktops are able to open IRC links. Other questions are: What
application should be used to open this link and how to we make sure
this application really is installed?
+1 although should this need a specific support channel?
I would prefer Jabber MUC, but otherwise +1.
I'd like to see that in the live cd, which is useful for rescue
purposes. As the fedora room/group/? requires nickserv registration,
there would have to be an automated script to randomly generate a nick
and register it, like with password "foo".
for a live cd, that would be sufficient and speed and convenience would
be good for either rescue purposes, or newbie installs.
Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1
I would really like this for a rescue situation, so that I don't have to
register nick's and muck around trying to remember my nick and password. For
total newbies, it'd be good too. I imagine that it wouldn't that
significant of a burden.
Over on the user list, the OP mentioned Sabayon doing this. Pidgin is in the
live cd and would work fine for this, to my knowledge. It would have to be
something in the live cd. I see it more as a live-cd thing rather than necessary
on an actual install.
If we were going to do something similar in Fedora, I would strongly
suggest these items be addressed before it goes live in a spin:
1) that we have a team of individuals ready to go as ops for the
channel before it goes live in a spin, with an effort to get 24 hour
coverage. These are the people with the authority to step in and move
things along if the conversation degrades.
2) Identify a "helper" role and a list of people who are filling that
role and provide best practices policy for how to help users coming in
with problems. This may or may not be the same as the ops role. The
point being these are the people who commit to "helpdesk hours" in a
public way. If someone comes in at a certain time, they should be able
to check and see if a helper is manning the helpdesk. Mutual aid
between users is a very useful thing, but having someone there who is
committed to setting an example on how to work through problems with
other people goes along way towards keeping things pleasant and
3) There needs to be an established rules of conduct which is
presented to users before they enter the channel. Not in the channel
topic...after they've entered. I want a nag dialog, prior to entering
irc-space. A first time dialog would be fine.
> I'd like to see that in the live cd, which is useful for rescue
> purposes. As the fedora room/group/? requires nickserv registration,
> there would have to be an automated script to randomly generate a nick
> and register it, like with password "foo".
That sucks as a solution. Can't #fedora be opened up for unregistered users
Generating random user/password isn't that bad.
This was opened so long ago and nothing has been done so far. Either do this or close it as wontfix. Thanks
Heads-up. XChat is being considered for removal (bug 1217584) from Fedora and HexChat would be the natural replacement for it.
This doesn't look like a serious bug, so I will WONTFIX it. Users are encouraged to migrate to HexChat.