Description of problem: Now that scim and im-chooser are always installed by default in F7 we need to fix im-chooser's choices to not confuse users using non-Asian desktop who don't know how to turn on IM. How reproducible: every time Steps to Reproduce: 1. start default desktop in non-Asian locale 2. run im-chooser Actual results: 2. Shows "Follow system-wide configuration [SCIM]" 3. need to select "Use custom input method" -> scim, to select scim IM. Expected results: 2. Should say "Follow system-wide configuration", ideally with "[off]" appended. 3. Need something like "Always use input methods" choice, ie to override locale restriction in xinput.sh. Additional info: See also: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-April/msg00393.html but initially the full solution is not required.
I also think this is a really important issue, it took me about 2 hours to understand this issue.今できるけど…好的好！
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I changed setting on im-chooser following. Use custom input method : scim Since, login window changed language from English to Japanese. Does the issue occurred to change settings on im-chooser?
(In reply to comment #3) > Since, login window changed language from English to Japanese. I don't know what happened on your system but im-chooser should effect the system or desktop language (locale).
should be fixed in 0.4.1-2.fc8.
Thanks - looks better now. :) Will there be a F7 update or is that not possible?
I am wondering if the UI could be simplified though, say to be chooser widget with just as few choices as possible. So if scim is installed, the choice would just be: Do not use IM. Use IM (SCIM). That would be very intuitive and easy for users to understand.
(In reply to comment #6) > Thanks - looks better now. :) > > Will there be a F7 update or is that not possible? a bug has to be filed for xinput.sh transition first. (In reply to comment #7) > I am wondering if the UI could be simplified though, > say to be chooser widget with just as few choices as possible. > So if scim is installed, the choice would just be: > > Do not use IM. > Use IM (SCIM). > > That would be very intuitive and easy for users to understand. > Could you tell me more details? it sounds like you would make it more scim-specific, is it what you are expecting there? or what's the expected behavior? I'd put this as a neutral tool for all of IMs and I'm still thinking that having a separate options for all-in-one IMs (such as scim and uim) and language-specific IM (such as XIM), because the language-specific IM can't be brought up on every languages and I think those should be split up to not confuse people who wants to use the same IM on some languages. I have an idea to improve much more to get less confusion. since the default input method can be displayed against current language, we can do the same thing for the legacy input method too. then they can know which the legacy input method is available for their language.
No, it would not be scim specific, just a different UI. (By "chooser widget" above I meant a Combo box BTW, sorry.) So rather than using GtkRadioButton's I would suggest using a GtkComboBox which would just list the available choices (for most users there would just be one or two probably).
So the entries in the ComboBox would be something like: A) For no IM installed - no choice: * "Do not use IM" or "No IM available". B) Typical case - only scim installed: * "Do not use IM" * "Use IM always (SCIM)" C) various IM's installed: * "Do not use IM" * "Use SCIM (default)" * "Use UIM" * "Use kinput2 (legacy XIM)"
Okay, I see what you mean. that basically sounds good though, there are some issues. Since any changes is applied immediately regardless of it was expected or unexpected, that way may breaks the IM configuration when im-chooser is brought up if current one is somehow not available. Current behavior for such case just disables that option from UI and should keeps that as is till people chooses another one. Also I'm a bit concerned it may becomes unusable and be messed up then when more IMs are added under xinput.d, because people has to choose one from a lot of IMs at the ComboBox. What do you think about them?
> Since any changes is applied immediately regardless of it was expected or > unexpected, that way may breaks the IM configuration when im-chooser is > brought up if current one is somehow not available. Current behavior for such > case just disables that option from UI and should keeps that as is till people > chooses another one. Good question. So you mean for example if uim was installed and user had chosen that with Custom -> UIM and now uim was removed and the user runs im-chooser again. Hmm, maybe add a ComboBox entry like "Custom .xinputrc", maybe labelling it as a broken symlink say? BTW how does im-chooser handle real customized .xinputrc files (ie .xinputrc edited by hand by user) currently? > Also I'm a bit concerned it may becomes unusable and be messed up then when > more IMs are added under xinput.d, because people has to choose one from a lot > of IMs at the ComboBox. True. In that case I might suggest having a checkbox "Turn on IM" which would enable the ComboBox defaulting to SCIM say (system default) - then the ComboBox would be more an advanced option.
(In reply to comment #12) > > Since any changes is applied immediately regardless of it was expected or > > unexpected, that way may breaks the IM configuration when im-chooser is > > brought up if current one is somehow not available. Current behavior for such > > case just disables that option from UI and should keeps that as is till people > > chooses another one. Hmm, the behavior is a bit inconsistent right now: a. If one chooses the legacy IM at im-chooser, and run im-chooser again after XIM packages has been removed, im-chooser keeps an option at the legacy IM and just disables it. b. If one chooses something from the custom, and run im-chooser again after that package has been removed, im-chooser points to the default but no changes in .xinputrc. > Good question. So you mean for example if uim was installed and user > had chosen that with Custom -> UIM and now uim was removed and the user > runs im-chooser again. Hmm, maybe add a ComboBox entry like > "Custom .xinputrc", maybe labelling it as a broken symlink say? maybe, need more better words though. > BTW how does im-chooser handle real customized .xinputrc files > (ie .xinputrc edited by hand by user) currently? In that case, im-chooser just shows "User Specific" at the custom, because there are no guarantees that it has the proper variables. so im-chooser just gets off evaluating and parsing it. > True. In that case I might suggest having a checkbox "Turn on IM" > which would enable the ComboBox defaulting to SCIM say (system default) - > then the ComboBox would be more an advanced option. Hm, ok. just thought the sort of this UI was an initial idea before Warren's. FWIW we should use a drop-down list or a list instead of a combination boxes because of this: <quote from="http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/controls-combo-boxes.html"> * If the user types a value into the drop-down combination box that is not already in the drop-down list, add it to the list when the drop-down combination box loses focus so they can select it next time </quote>
For the reference, im-chooser should be improved now according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AkiraTagoh/IMChooser/UIImprovements
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