Bug 253445 - Leaving sound device opened is causing lots of wakeups
Summary: Leaving sound device opened is causing lots of wakeups
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: kernel
Version: 8
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Kernel Maintainer List
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
Whiteboard: bzcl34nup
: 251534 252352 (view as bug list)
Depends On:
Blocks: wakeup
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2007-08-19 17:32 UTC by William Lovaton
Modified: 2009-01-09 04:51 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Doc Type: Bug Fix
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Last Closed: 2009-01-09 04:51:13 UTC
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Description William Lovaton 2007-08-19 17:32:07 UTC
Description of problem:
Current Rawhide is causing about 60 wake ups per second when previously it was
causing an excellent 20 wps on the Desktop.  The guilty according to powertop is
the interrupt CMI8738-MC6 (46 wps) even when idle and I am not playing any
sound.  Even if I start to play some video the CMI thing keeps waking up the CPU
and the same rate so it is doing something unnecessarily.

As show in comment #6 from the wakeup bug report:

Rawhide from August 13 didn't have this problem and the wake ups were very low.

According to lspci my audio card is:
00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)

and the related kernel modules are:
[root@localhost ~]# lsmod | grep -i cm
snd_cmipci             32737  5 
gameport               15449  1 snd_cmipci
snd_pcm_oss            38625  0 
snd_mixer_oss          16969  1 snd_pcm_oss
rtc_cmos               10977  0 
snd_pcm                65389  4 snd_cmipci,snd_pcm_oss
snd_page_alloc         11209  1 snd_pcm
snd_opl3_lib           11865  1 snd_cmipci
snd_timer              20957  5 snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib
snd_mpu401_uart        10585  1 snd_cmipci
snd                    45189  18snd_cmipci,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,

My system is an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ using kernel 2.6.23-0.115.rc3.git1.fc8

If you need more info just yelp.

Comment 1 William Lovaton 2007-08-19 18:22:22 UTC
Mmmm... doing extra investigation I realized that this is caused by esd now
being enable by default and not by a kernel module regression.

When I disable it in gnome-sound-properties, wake ups go down to normal.

Comment 2 Bastien Nocera 2007-08-19 20:58:46 UTC
This is a problem with the sound system (ALSA). Whenever the device is opened,
the hardware will generate interrupts. It's a kernel problem that's unlikely to
be fixed. We'll get the fix for free when we switch to using PulseAudio by default.

Comment 3 Bastien Nocera 2007-08-19 22:03:45 UTC
*** Bug 252352 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 4 Arjan van de Ven 2007-08-19 22:29:37 UTC
note that there are two aspects to this bug:

1) the wakeups caused by "device open but no sound"


2) keeping/having the device open will prevent power saving from kicking in.

I'll agree that 1) is an alsa core issue that alsa should be fixing ideally; but
2) is an esd issue; powersaving (turning off power to the codec and sound chip)
kicks in on device closing, and that's the only thing that is right to do, since
only "nobody has the device open" can qualify as criterium for this.

Comment 5 Bastien Nocera 2007-08-19 23:30:21 UTC
A couple of things.

First, esound doesn't like not being started from the session. See the default
# autospawning is not recommended, since it can't really be done
# right.  If you want your login session to be using a sound daemon,
# you should start it from the session controller, not some random
# app inside.

Secondly, esound isn't the default in F8 anymore (it's been replaced by
PulseAudio in F8, along with esound-compat libraries).

Finally, Lennart mentioned that Takashi is working on using high-resolution
times for ALSA's ring buffer management, which means that we'd be able to not
use interrupts on the hardware.

So this bug needs to go to PA, or the kernel. As the fixes should happen in the
kernel, pushing there.

Comment 6 Bastien Nocera 2007-08-20 11:39:34 UTC
*** Bug 251534 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7 Bastien Nocera 2007-08-20 11:40:40 UTC
Retitling to be more accurate.

Comment 8 Arjan van de Ven 2007-08-20 13:54:12 UTC
pushing this to the kernel does not and will not fix the 2nd issue (preventing 
sound hardware from going to sleep), but I suppose we need to create a second 
bug for that.

Comment 9 Bug Zapper 2008-04-04 13:38:13 UTC
Based on the date this bug was created, it appears to have been reported
during the development of Fedora 8. In order to refocus our efforts as
a project we are changing the version of this bug to '8'.

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Comment 11 Bug Zapper 2009-01-09 04:51:13 UTC
Fedora 8 changed to end-of-life (EOL) status on 2009-01-07. Fedora 8 is 
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