Raising mostly in the context of KDE Spin (and other non-gnome desktops).
The issue I'd like to raise here is that if someone, like a KDE user, would
prefer to use knetworkmanager. With NetworkManger-gnome, if installed and
afaict, there seems to be no way to disable it or quit after launch. As is,
that user would get both applets.
I'm not sure how best to handle a situation like this. Any suggestions?
Also note that this is exacerbated by the fact that we had to ship
NetworkManager-gnome by default in Fedora 8 because KNetworkManager wasn't
ready. Now it looks like we've got a KNetworkManager ready for Rawhide (and
probably also want to push it to the Fedora 8 updates at some point), so we
need an upgrade path (and Obsoletes is not an option for obvious reasons).
(knetworkmanager in F8 and current Rawhide is a dummy package which dragged in
NetworkManager-gnome because we didn't have any other working options.)
Hmm; could the new knm package include a small shim that copies settings from
GConf into the config store that knm used? Then you could patch that into
knetworkmanager's startup code and copy them over once, set a private config key
to say "already converted" and don't copy again if that key is found.
Or, since it's one-time-pain, just ignore the existing GNOME settings and have
people re-enter the stuff. Sort of sucks, but you'd only have to do it once.
Thanks for the hints, but copying the configuration isn't our primary concern,
getting the NM-gnome nm-applet not to start is, because 2 NM applets at the
same time would trip on each other.
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The NM applet is practically useless on a workstation with a dedicated
connection. I would like to be able to at least hide it to prevent it from
using up space in the panel.
(As suggsted by ivazquaz on #fedora irc)
when/if a "new" default kde applet comes, it could include a (kde-specific):
that includes key:
according to my reading of the xdg-autostart spec, would be at least one
system-wide way to disable nm-applet in kde.
*** Bug 449976 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Bummer that my trick from comment #7 doesn't seem to work in KDE, but from what we can tell, it's *supposed* to work, so may be indicative of a bug. We're looking into it.
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I think the major problem here is how you'd get the applet back in the panel in an easy and discoverable way after hiding it...
Agreed, I withdraw the request.
This is probably better implemented in some sort of service/autostart manager. I'll (hopefully) be hacking on kde's autostart manager soonish to implement something along the lines of this.
While I'm at it, I'll also see about making something like comment #7 work too (it's probably a kde bug that it doesn't currently work).
No, please don't close this bug; I filed bug 449976, which was deemed a dupe of this one,
Why can't this applet behave like any other applet, that you get rid of with right click -> Remove from panel, and add via right click -> Add to panel?
I really don't understand why this is so difficult. Is there something this applet does or how it works that it cannot work like every other applet?
Strictly speaking your wish was a little different than mine here.
I wanted a way to simply disable nm-applet (per user or per system), and I think I've come up with some better ways to do that.
You seem to want the ability to get rid of it once launched (which I have no personal interest in).
IMHO nm_applet should just be NotShowIn=KDE; in F13 and higher, but we can discuss this in today's KDE SIG meeting.
(Please don't add a NotShowIn in F11 or F12 updates or you'll break networking for unsuspecting users.)
Rex: If your wish is considered different, then I would like my bug re-opened. Regardless, I want to understand why this applet can't be like any other applet on the panel: you remove with a right click, add it back with a right click.
What is wrong with this?
Re-open your bug then, if you want. All I'm saying is that I'm not personally interested in that (anymore).
nm-applet is not a panel applet, it's a systray icon.
This bothering me a lot as a KDE user.
For all of you who wants to get rid of this stupid behaviour:
edit file '/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop' and put there a new line:
This will be the default in F13 and up, where we default to knetworkmanager (see the closed bug 541353), but we can't really do this by default in F11 and F12 or we'll break networking for our users. If your system is a single-user system or if everyone is using KDE, you can just remove the NetworkManager-gnome package altogether.