Description of problem:
Please add an exact, step-by-step procedure about mounting/unmounting disk
drives in command line (runlevel 3), when we use udev (default).
Please include it at:
and official Red Hat RHEL documentation.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
Fedora 8, Red Hat 5.1
Thanks a lot,
the document you've quoted (Fedora Desktop User Guide) is, AFAIK, not part of
RHEL's bookset. this bug should be filed in Fedora.
as for official RHEL documentation, instructions for mounting file systems and
removable media are described in "man mount".
setting this bug as NOTABUG.
Sorry for quoting a Fedora piece of documentation to a Red Hat bug - that seemed
representative to me.
As for the man page:
I assume RHEL man pages are not (very) different from the (recent) Fedora ones.
So I'll refer to the Fedora „man mount” page, which states:
" The standard form of the mount command, is
mount -t type device dir
This tells the kernel to attach the file system found on device (which
is of type type) at the directory dir."
The problem is that, on udev systems, we don't know the "device" name in advance
for removable media.
Could you please explain (or redirect this bug to the appropriate Fedora
This missing piece of information is *blocking* in some cases, so I'll consider
it a FAQ.
Thanks a lot,
reassigning this to package maintainer for util-linux, since man pages are
managed by the package owner themselves.
Most devices are indicated by a file name (of a block special device), like
/dev/sda1, but there are other possibilities. For example, in the case of an
NFS mount, device may look like knuth.cwi.nl:/dir. It is possible to
indicate a block special device using its volume label or UUID (see the -L and
-U options below).
My plan is add to the man page info about vol_id and blkid commands.
This is probably a bit general problem, related to usage of udev-hal-gnomemount chain in newer Fedora versions. When you are using GUI, the removable media is mounten automaticaly under /media. In init 3 this is not the case. If you do not use root account, then to mount such a media you need to grep dmesg for a assigned /dev name and then do gnome-mount -d /dev/name, which is not very convenient. I personally would welcome if they are mounted also in init 3 as they do in init 5 and could be umounted with umount /media/name by user (calling gnome-umount -d /dev/name is now necessary).
Thanks A LOT for your information !
I don't know if mounting automatically is 100% secure (neither in X nor in command line), but I will gladly accept your point of view.
Please provide a *really easy way* to manipulate (mount/umount) media, for non-technical users - with clear documentation attached !
When using a Red Hat system as a *desktop* (not necesarilly running X by default!), it's already difficult enough to explain to a secretary what mount-ing /unmount-ing is... ;-) Or what cryptic utilities she has to use...
Someone from the Documentation team *please* look at bug #240891 - it's pretty important and it looks stalled for *very* long, even after I've attached a very clear image on the matter... Thanks again !
I am just a poor bugzapper hunting Fedora bugs. Fedora is open project, anybody can join, therefore I would recommend you to join
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject and fix the mentioned part there, as you seem to be very familiar with various Fedora and Red Hat documentation.
Regarding bug 240891 this is for RHEL product, that is out of my scope.
This bug appears to have been reported against 'rawhide' during the Fedora 10 development cycle.
Changing version to '10'.
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I think the mount man page provides necessary information and we're slowly improving the mount documentation in every util-linux-ng release.
Frankly, the mount/umount command line is not designed for a secretary. We have desktop utils (like nautilus) to such users.
Closing. (That does not mean that the docs is perfect:-)