Bug 466690 - Unnecessary dependencies required to install openoffice
Unnecessary dependencies required to install openoffice
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: rpm (Show other bugs)
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Assigned To: Deepak Bhole
Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
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Reported: 2008-10-12 17:22 EDT by jihedamine
Modified: 2014-01-21 18:06 EST (History)
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Last Closed: 2008-10-12 20:43:27 EDT
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Description jihedamine 2008-10-12 17:22:27 EDT
Description of problem:
In order to install openoffice, Yum package manager requests installing hsqldb driver which in turn requires installing apache tomcat server. Actually those packages are not necessary to get openoffice work.

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How reproducible:
Install openoffice (writer / impress / calc)

Steps to Reproduce:
1.open package-manager
2.choose to install openoffice
Actual results:
package manager indicates that hsqldb and apache tomcat are required in order to install openoffice

Expected results:
hsqldb and apache tomcat not required to install openoffice

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Comment 1 James Antill 2008-10-12 20:43:27 EDT

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 459193 ***
Comment 2 jihedamine 2008-10-14 05:34:55 EDT
I don't think this is a duplicate of 459193 because the dependencies are not required by packagekit, but by plain yum. When I use yum typing on a console:
yum install openoffice.ogr-core
it still requires hsqldb which in turn requires apache-tomcat5 (both of them aren't required).
So yum is wrong in its dependencies management (the problem doesn't lie in packagekit).
Comment 3 seth vidal 2008-10-14 08:06:10 EDT
rpm -qR openoffice.org-core | grep hsqldb


it's explicitly required.

Then rpm -qR hsqldb

will show you that servletapi5 is required by hsqldb

and the only thing providing servletapi5 is tomcat5-servlet.

Not sure why you think yum is bringing in deps it should not.
Comment 4 jihedamine 2008-10-14 08:34:03 EDT
So I should have said rpm is asking for unnecessary dependencies (not yum). For example, installing openoffice from sun's web site doesn't require you to install hsqldb or tomcat. Also, using Ubuntu, when I apt-get openoffice, it doesn't ask me to download hsqldb or tomcat.
Comment 5 seth vidal 2008-10-14 08:40:26 EDT
rpm isn't pulling in those dependencies. They are being listed explicitly in openoffice.org-core's spec file and in hsqldb's.

reassigning to the openoffice.org-core maintainer
Comment 6 Caolan McNamara 2008-10-14 08:58:51 EDT
OOo needs hsqldb for openoffice.org-base to work, that require in F-10 is now just in openoffice.org-base rather than core now that openoffice.org-base has been better factored out into a more truly standalone application.

Anything that hsqldb requires I'm sure is there because it needs it to work and not because of some random desire to pull in other packages. But the hsqldb maintainer can have his chance to bite at that.
Comment 7 jihedamine 2008-10-14 09:50:29 EDT
Making hsqldb a dependency of openoffice.org-base and not openoffice.org-core is a first good step, but still Fedora is forcing the user to install hsqldb. the openoffice.org-base package could for example SUGGEST Mysql driver OR PostgreSQL OR SQLite...which is how the same package is behaving in Ubuntu. I know hsqldb is not so heavy to install, but this behaviour hurts the flexibility and freedom given to the user.
Comment 8 Fernando Nasser 2008-10-20 10:06:11 EDT
We had a similar case in the past in a product we had.  The solution was to request a virtual provides datasource and provide that in the many possible, one per database, subpackages, which would them require the specific database.  But we had to ask people to install at least one of the subpackages in the products installation instructions, which always bothered me.  One wants it the main package to work by default.  So, some sort of scheme where the hsqldb one is always installed but when one of the others when installed takes precedence would be necessary.  As you see, it gets increasingly complex...
Comment 9 jihedamine 2008-10-26 08:59:04 EDT
Another example of really badly defined dependencies is bluecurve-icon-theme of which 102 packages are dependent !! when actually nothing depends from bluecurve icon theme. I think a difference should really be made between a package being dependent of other packages and a package suggesting the use of other packages.

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