Bug 752538 - gtk2 widgets too "tight"
Summary: gtk2 widgets too "tight"
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: dejavu-fonts
Version: 16
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Nicolas Mailhot
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
: 746920 (view as bug list)
Depends On:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2011-11-09 19:34 UTC by Pierre Ossman
Modified: 2013-02-14 02:06 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

Fixed In Version:
Doc Type: Bug Fix
Doc Text:
Clone Of:
Last Closed: 2013-02-14 02:06:40 UTC

Attachments (Terms of Use)
Old gnome-terminal (8.62 KB, image/png)
2011-11-10 11:58 UTC, Pierre Ossman
no flags Details
New gnome-terminal (8.82 KB, image/png)
2011-11-10 12:00 UTC, Pierre Ossman
no flags Details
Python test program (252 bytes, text/plain)
2011-11-19 22:17 UTC, Pierre Ossman
no flags Details
Screenshot of U+2551 (21.83 KB, image/png)
2011-11-24 17:37 UTC, Pierre Ossman
no flags Details

Description Pierre Ossman 2011-11-09 19:34:02 UTC
I upgraded from Fedora 14 to Fedora 16, and now I'm having problems with some applications looking too cramped. The applications in question are claws-mail and xchat, so I guess it is something in GTK2 that isn't working correctly in our new, brave GTK3 world.

The problem seems to be that there is insufficient space between lines or rows.

In xchat, the problem is in the main chat widget. The user widget to the right looks fine.

In claws-mail, the problem can be seen both in the folder view and the message list (I believe these are both the same widget though). In the folder view you can even see some of the icons getting cropped.

Comment 1 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-10 11:43:55 UTC
This might be a general font issue as I'm noticing that gnome-terminal (which should be GTK3) is a lot smaller than it's older variety (compared using X forwarding). The individual glyphs look the same though, so I guess something is broken with line spacing.

Comment 2 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-10 11:44:31 UTC
I also configured DejaVu Mono 10pt for both terminals to make sure it was a good comparison.

Comment 3 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-10 11:58:42 UTC
Created attachment 532806 [details]
Old gnome-terminal

This is the forwarded old gnome-terminal. The 'x' is 6x7 pixels, and the marker is 10x19 pixels.

Comment 4 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-10 12:00:20 UTC
Created attachment 532807 [details]
New gnome-terminal

And here is the new gnome-terminal. The 'x' is still 6x7 pixels, so the glyph size seems to be the same. However, the marker is now 10x17 pixels, and also is intruding on the space of the line above.

Comment 5 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-16 11:31:04 UTC
I'm seeing this in more places, so I'm guessing it has nothing to do with GTK. Moving to freetype, as I guess that's where things are getting the line spacing information from.

Comment 6 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-19 22:17:01 UTC
Created attachment 534591 [details]
Python test program

Test program that gets the extents of "x" of DejaVu Sans Mono at 10pt via Pango.

On Fedora 16, I get:

((1, 5, 6, 7), (0, 0, 8, 15))
((1024, 5120, 6144, 7168), (0, 0, 8192, 15360))

Whilst Fedora 14 gives:

((1, 6, 6, 7), (0, 0, 8, 17))
((1024, 6144, 6144, 7168), (0, 0, 8192, 17408))

Note that last number there, which matches the line height.

And for more reference, RHEL 6:

((0, 5, 8, 8), (0, 0, 8, 17))
((0, 5120, 8192, 8192), (0, 0, 8192, 17408))

Not sure why the first set of numbers change so drastically. Could be hinting differences...

Comment 7 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-19 22:22:47 UTC
Managed to find a Fedora 15 machine as well:

((1, 6, 6, 7), (0, 0, 8, 17))
((1024, 6144, 6144, 7168), (0, 0, 8192, 17408))

Relevant versions:





Comment 8 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-19 22:30:43 UTC
Freetype is definitely the key component here. If I take the .so from F15 and use it on F16, I get the same line height.

Comment 9 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-19 23:14:35 UTC
Dug up 2.4.5-1:

((1, 6, 6, 7), (0, 0, 8, 17))
((1024, 6144, 6144, 7168), (0, 0, 8192, 17408))

And also tried rawhide's 2.4.8-1:

((1, 5, 6, 7), (0, 0, 8, 15))
((1024, 5120, 6144, 7168), (0, 0, 8192, 15360))

So the problem appeared in 2.4.6, and is still present.

Comment 10 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-19 23:46:38 UTC
A small release fortunately, and it has this in the release notes:

    - For TrueType based fonts, the ascender and descender values were
      incorrect sometimes  (off by a pixel if the ppem value was not a
      multiple of 5).   Depending on the use you might now  experience
      a different  layout; the  change should  result in  better, more
      consistent line spacing.

So if the previous rendering was technically incorrect, does that mean this is a DejaVu bug (and possibly other fonts as well) in that those fonts are specifying an insufficient ascent and descent? I doubt that the font designers intended it to be no spacing at all between lines.

Comment 11 Marek Kašík 2011-11-24 14:57:34 UTC
Hi Pierre,

this behaviour was introduced by this commit http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/freetype/freetype2.git/commit/?id=b0962ac34e66052ccfee7996e5468f30d4bd5a72 to freetype.
The old behaviour was incorrect. The change was also discussed here:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?33939 and

So it is not a bug in freetype.

The only problematic thing here is the marker but it is probably a problem in gnome-terminal or pango.



Comment 12 Marek Kašík 2011-11-24 15:15:16 UTC
*** Bug 746920 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 13 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-24 17:36:28 UTC
Sorry, but I'm not willing to accept that everything's peachy.

I'm willing to concede that the fix in freetype is correct and the world is a much more beautiful place now that this bug is squashed (I know nothing about TrueType internals). But if you look at how U+2551 from DejaVu Mono is rendered, then something is obviously off.

This glyph is supposed to precisely span one line, so that it will seamlessly connect with an identical glyp above and below it. In reality, it gets a two pixel overlap at 10pt at 96 dpi.

If you do not feel that freetype is not to blame, then feel free to pass the buck elsewhere. Either to DejaVu for giving incorrect metrics, or Pango for using freetype incorrectly.

Comment 14 Pierre Ossman 2011-11-24 17:37:04 UTC
Created attachment 535985 [details]
Screenshot of U+2551

Comment 15 Marek Kašík 2011-11-25 11:05:55 UTC
Hi Pierre,

yes, you are right. When considering this again I should have reassigned this instead of close. Will remember it for next time.



Comment 16 Pierre Ossman 2011-12-06 16:52:42 UTC
I installed FontForge and had a look at said glyph. Using the guide lines I determined that the ascent and descent is ~1990 and ~-620 respectively. This in contrast with the global values:

   ascent:          1901
   descent:         -483

So I guess this is clearly a bug in the font then?

Is there some way to override these settings to test?

Comment 17 Nicolas Mailhot 2011-12-07 10:56:02 UTC
A problem at this level needs to be tackled upstream, let's see if eimai has an opinion here

Comment 18 Pierre Ossman 2011-12-15 19:15:37 UTC
Any comments from upstream?

Comment 19 Pierre Ossman 2012-01-10 10:33:20 UTC
Did you get in touch with upstream? Is there an upstream bug report?

Comment 20 Nicolas Mailhot 2012-01-10 10:49:07 UTC
Ben Laenen is in copy, of this bug, you don't get more upstream than that

Though of course you can also try to open a bug in upstream's bugzilla

Comment 21 Pierre Ossman 2012-01-10 11:00:57 UTC
I see. :)

For completeness sake, I've opened a bug upstream:


I'll continue the technical discussion there.

Comment 22 Fedora End Of Life 2013-02-14 02:06:44 UTC
Fedora 16 changed to end-of-life (EOL) status on 2013-02-12. Fedora 16 is 
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