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Description of problem: See Summary. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): 18 Alpha TC5
that's not an Alpha blocker. size requirements are Beta: "The network installation image, DVD image, and live images for release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements" from *Beta*, not Alpha.
KDE has decided on > 700MB for F-18 anyway. GNOME is still under consideration for the same.
We need a new https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Releases/18/Spins page indicating this, then. The latest size page that actually exists is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/16/Spins . We've been using that for size information.
OK, created with new sizes for Desktop & KDE. (Double-checking on KDE size, might be adjusted up or down slightly, but it's intended to be > 700MB.)
(In reply to comment #4) > OK, created with new sizes for Desktop & KDE. (Double-checking on KDE size, > might be adjusted up or down slightly, but it's intended to be > 700MB.) Shouldn't those sizes be 1 GB (not 1 GiB)? Flash drives have sizes measured in SI units, so a 1 GB flash drive really is 1 GB (1000^3 bytes).
I think the choice of GiB vs GB on that page depends primarily on what other entry you happen to be looking at at the time.
(In reply to comment #6) > I think the choice of GiB vs GB on that page depends primarily on what other > entry you happen to be looking at at the time. AFAICT, every entry was chosen correctly. For example, the 1 GB Design Suite Spin entry was chosen to target flash drives. The 4 GiB entries were chosen specifically due to the 4 GiB FAT file size limit (I disagreed with the decision, but it was not a careless error). Similarly for the 700 MiB CD size limit. I noticed that you changed the 4 GiB limits to 4 GB, can you revert these changes? Thanks. (Of course, the choice of units for the ~ 3 GiB limit was arbitrary. I asked once what the point of a vague limit was and never got an answer.)
Changing Summary to reflect that the Gnome and KDE Lives only have to be <= 1 GB. For 18 Alpha TC6, all Lives pass size tests including XFCE which is now < 700 MiB.
For Alpha final (RC3), all Live images are within their size targets except Xfce x86_64, which is 709MiB (should be under 700MiB). Adjusting summary and nominating as Beta NTH not blocker, as Xfce is not a release-blocking desktop.
*** Bug 856894 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
We discussed 856894, which is identical, at the 2012-09-26 blocker review meeting: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-09-26/f18-beta-blocker-review-1.2012-09-26-16.03.log.txt . Accepted as NTH, non-blocking spins being over-size are NTH by definition.
The nightly live xfce's are now both under 700MB... So I think we can close this, or I guess we could keep it open to check for at beta?
Doesn't make a huge degree of difference really, we'll re-check it at Beta either way. Up to you how you want to handle it.
Lets close this one. Re-open or file a new one if you see it going over again.
Fedora-18-Beta-TC1-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso is 758120448 bytes > 700 MiB. Fedora-18-Beta-TC1-i686-Live-XFCE.iso is 726663168 bytes < 700 MiB.
Looking around, nothing big really seems to have crept in. The EFI stuff takes up a fair bit of room: 4.8MB efiboot.img 20MB macboot.img Here's the top 30 packages by installed size: 127197570 kernel 117821449 glibc-common 93798681 java-1.7.0-openjdk 40651371 webkitgtk 39167947 xulrunner 36574107 mesa-dri-drivers 34904384 perl 33322531 linux-firmware 32444794 foomatic-db-ppds 31602396 opencv 29454189 gnumeric 28427650 firefox 28363236 libpinyin-data 27879319 libpurple 26038006 anthy 25009477 python-libs 22247740 libicu 21457344 llvm-libs 21094325 cjkuni-uming-fonts 20990480 gutenprint 20543461 libabiword 18504995 grub2-efi 17156348 wqy-zenhei-fonts 16799922 ghostscript 15989135 binutils 15914745 grub2-tools 15147402 claws-mail 14682121 selinux-policy-targeted 14233540 coreutils 14112293 iso-codes An easy fix would be to remove webkitgtk (which drops midori and liferea), but I would prefer to avoid that if we can. Will look around some more.
Fedora-18-Beta-TC2-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 728760320 bytes (695 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC2-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 760217600 bytes (725 MiB)
Comparing to the other live images, the 64-bit version is typically about 30M larger than the 32-bit, so this is normal. (For install images, 64-bit is usually smaller.)
Looking back in my records, the size difference for 64-bit vs. 32-bit lives started with 18 Alpha RC3. Prior to that, the 64-bits were about the same size or a little smaller than 32-bit. 18 Alpha RC2: Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-Desktop.iso : 786432000 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-KDE.iso : 832569344 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-LXDE.iso : 674234368 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-SoaS.iso : 554696704 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 715128832 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso : 783286272 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso : 834666496 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-LXDE.iso : 674234368 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso : 553648128 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 715128832 18 Alpha RC3: Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-Desktop.iso : 783286272 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-KDE.iso : 806354944 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-LXDE.iso : 671088640 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-SoaS.iso : 555745280 Fedora-18-Alpha-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 710934528 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso : 812646400 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso : 835715072 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-LXDE.iso : 702545920 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso : 583008256 Fedora-18-Alpha-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 743440384 Note that this bug was originally reported for 18 Alpha TC5, and at that point, both the 32- and 64-bit XFCE lives were oversized, by about the same amount. 18 Alpha TC5: Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-i686-Live-Desktop.iso : 775946240 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-i686-Live-KDE.iso : 790626304 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-i686-Live-SoaS.iso : 556793856 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 761266176 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-x86_64-Live-Desktop.iso : 772800512 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso : 788529152 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-x86_64-Live-SoaS.iso : 554696704 Fedora-18-Alpha-TC5-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 760217600
Well, two interesting things happened around then: one of Bill's giant comps changes landed, IIRC, and livecd-tools stopped putting the UEFI bits on 32-bit images, since we don't support 32-bit UEFI. The first factor could explain why overall image size got larger, and the second could explain why 32-bit images specifically got smaller...
(In reply to comment #20) > The first factor could explain why overall image size got larger, and the > second could explain why 32-bit images specifically got smaller... To me, it seems like the 32-bits stayed about the same size, while the 64-bits got about 30M larger. Since all the 18 TCs/RCs are still in stage, it's easy to browse in detail (although I keep size records due to the fact that the actual size is no longer the same as the ISO header size, so if they weren't there, I could post it somewhere). If there is something fixable about the extra 30M in 64-bit, it would be good to get that fixed ASAP, since that would both fix this bug and postpone when all the other spins start hitting the size limit. (On a related note, the 32-bit install DVDs are getting uncomfortably close to the 4.7 GB size limit. I put comments on the TC1 and TC2 matrix pages.)
*** Bug 863725 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Fedora-18-Beta-TC3-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 728760320 (695 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC3-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 759169024 (724 MiB)
For 18 Beta TC4, within the size limit, but just barely. Fedora-18-Beta-TC4-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 703594496 (671 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC4-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 732954624 (699 MiB)
Should we close this?
(In reply to comment #25) > Should we close this? With only 1M leeway, It could easily go over the size limit again at any compose unless it's trimmed down, so personally I think it would be better to leave it open for now.
There was an additional suggestion on the xfce list to exclude PackageKit and realmd http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2012-October/001585.html Not sure how much that buys us though.
I have incorporated these changes in http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?id=8d2573e3 and http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/commit/?h=f18&id=94fecade Let's see what the next nightly brings us.
A little better... Fedora-18-Beta-TC5-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 701497344 bytes (669 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC5-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 730857472 bytes (697 MiB)
Fedora-18-Beta-TC6-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 701497344 bytes (669 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC6-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 730857472 bytes (697 MiB)
*** Bug 868511 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Oversized again. Fedora-18-Beta-TC7-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 705691648 bytes (673 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC7-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 735051776 bytes (701 MiB)
FWIW, I noticed a 'minimal' install mysteriously grew to nearly 250 packages recently, which may have an influence on this (when I compared f17 and f18 minimal installs a few weeks back, it was around 200 packages). I have it on my todo list to figure out what grew, but didn't get around to it yet.
Hm, comparing to an early October root I did, only additions were man, groff-base, and less. That accounts for 3-4MB uncompressed, but should be on the XFCE live in both cases anyway.
Explicit additions to comps that may have affected the XFCE live image in the past couple of weeks: 105318 xfce4-about 214589 less 524316 sil-nuosu-fonts 1586590 gnu-free-mono-fonts 1861568 man-db 2817271 tar 3085512 gnu-free-sans-fonts 6145760 gnu-free-serif-fonts Assumption would be the fonts, which were added to @fonts so we had default coverage for languages we didn't before. (bugs #868547, #871924). I'm assuming less/man-db/tar were already brought in by deps, so no change there.
TC8 is oversized. Fedora-18-Beta-TC8-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 706740224 bytes (674 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC8-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 735051776 bytes (701 MiB)
TC9 is oversized. Fedora-18-Beta-TC9-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 706740224 bytes (674 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-TC9-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 736100352 bytes (702 MiB)
I dropped gnumeric from the spin and now the nightlies are well under size. ;) Length: 721420288 (688M)
Confirmed that 18 Beta RC1 is within size limits. Fedora-18-Beta-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 692060160 bytes (660 MiB) Fedora-18-Beta-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 720371712 bytes (687 MiB)
Fedora-18-TC3-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 696254464 bytes (664 MiB) Fedora-18-TC3-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 737148928 bytes (703 MiB)
The spin basically increased by 50 MB DURING THE FREEZE. How can this happen?
Accepted as NTH: we agreed at 2012-12-17 NTH review meeting - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-12-17/f18final-blocker-review-5.2012-12-17-16.40.log.txt - that over-size issues on non-blocking spins are accepted as NTH by policy without explicit discussion needed.
It went from 692MB (TC2) to 703MB (TC3), for x86-64. That's 11MB, not 50MB.
Yeah, but before we freed up almost 40 MB by removing gnumeric and some claws plugins. lLl of this happened during beta freeze.
:( We could remove seahorse - saves us 6mb, might be enough.
So, cracking open the live images shows that the disk usage of the ext4 fs image is roughly 30MB greater in TC3 than TC2, despite it only containing ~4MB more content in the accessible filesystem itself. Something during the creation process for TC3 causes that extra 25-30MB of image space to be allocated and then removed (but still in the filesystem image). This then translated to most of the ~11MB gain in the squashfs image, and the live image itself. However, we don't have good enough logs or details to determine why this happened.
I dropped seahorse. Lets see if thats enough to get us under... in my local testing it should be.
Once bug 856270 gets fixed, we'll have 22k for pulseaudio-libs-glib2 more, but that shouldn't really matter.
17 Final TC4 is back under the size limit. Fedora-18-TC4-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 694157312 bytes (662 MiB) Fedora-18-TC4-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 724566016 bytes (691 MiB)
Hopefully we are good until release now. ;)
18 Final RC1 is under the size limit (but very close). Fedora-18-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 694157312 bytes (662 MiB) Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 732954624 bytes (699 MiB)
In F18 RC21. I added gnome-keyring-pam (because automatic unlocking of the default keyring is a desktop validation test case) and even though the package is just a single so file, we are now oversized again. :( RC1 x86_64 732954624 bytes RC2 x86_64 RC2.1 x86_64 735051776 (spun because of bug 893098) Target size 734003200 To fix this, I have omitted claws-mail-plugins-rssyl. It's three times bigger than gnome-keyring-pam and we already have lifearea as rss reader. Let's see what RC 2.2 will look like...
18 Final RC2.2 is under size limit: Fedora-18-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 694157312 bytes (662 MiB) Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 724566016 bytes (691 MiB)
18 Final RC3 is oversized: Fedora-18-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 695205888 bytes (663 MiB) Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 735051776 bytes (701 MiB) Note that the exact actual size limit on most types of CD is something like 702.83 MiB (see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/089943.html ) so this size should be usable for most people. However, it IS larger than the advertised size of 700 MiB, so unless someone wants to write up something detailed on the exact size limit for all types of CD (which I don't think anyone has ever done, and I suspect no one would want to waste the required time on, for the roughly half a percent it would gain), it's safer and less confusing to keep using the advertised size.
I still don't get how there can be 10 MB size difference between RC2.2 and RC3 and why this only happens on x86_64. Is there a chance to respin only x86_64, just to see if it makes a difference?
Oh, I just found RC4, which is well under the limit again (691 MB)
Sorry, I confused RC4 and TC4. Let's wait for RC4 to finish then.
18 Final RC4 is within size limit: Fedora-18-i686-Live-XFCE.iso : 694157312 bytes (662 MiB) Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-XFCE.iso : 724566016 bytes (691 MiB)
As RC4 was declared gold, we can close this.