Bug 454582 - Tracker bug for over-eager apps that won't let disks spin down
Summary: Tracker bug for over-eager apps that won't let disks spin down
Alias: None
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: distribution
Version: rawhide
Hardware: All
OS: Linux
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Václav Pavlín
QA Contact: Fedora Extras Quality Assurance
Depends On: 454574 454576 454581 457155 466601 467803 467804 468434 479192 488268 491552 507963 515037 521952 919311
Blocks: F11PowerSaving
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
Reported: 2008-07-09 03:57 UTC by Eric Sandeen
Modified: 2016-11-05 13:28 UTC (History)
10 users (show)

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Doc Type: Bug Fix
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Last Closed: 2016-11-05 13:28:11 UTC
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Description Eric Sandeen 2008-07-09 03:57:50 UTC
Apps which habitually write, and rewrite, and rewrite again the same file over
and over without changes prevent disks from spinning down and thus impact power
use, battery life, etc.

One easy-ish way to find these on an otherwise idle system is:

# sysctl -w vm.block_dump=1
# while true; do sleep 10; date; dmesg -c; done

and see for example:

Tue Jul  8 22:53:35 CDT 2008
ypbind(3241): dirtied inode 33391 (redhat.com.1) on sda11
ypbind(3241): dirtied inode 37462 (redhat.com.2) on sda11

Comment 1 Eric Sandeen 2008-07-09 04:03:18 UTC

# while true; do sleep 10; date; dmesg -c | grep -v "kjournald\|pdflush"; done

kjournald, pdflush are reactionary...

Comment 2 Eric Sandeen 2009-03-22 22:29:52 UTC
Oh, just a note; now that relatime isn't on by default anymore, you'd want your root fs mounted noatime for the above test to be useful.

Comment 3 Mace Moneta 2009-03-24 21:04:38 UTC
Should bug #491552 be added to this list?

Comment 4 Phil Knirsch 2009-03-25 12:57:47 UTC
Sounds like a good candidate, yes.

Thanks & regards, Phil

Comment 5 David Zeuthen 2009-04-07 20:31:45 UTC
Note that recent udev versions (udev >= 139) will cause a 'change' uevent *every* time a block device opened for writing (e.g. O_WRONLY or O_RDRW) is closed. This 'change' uevent is going to cause vol_id and other tools that investigate the block device to run. Some of the time the sectors needed for vol_id (typically at the beginning and the end of the disk) will be in the page cache but sometimes they are not.

I'd like to stress that this behavior is a *feature*, not a bug: it's how we keep e.g. the desktop icons in sync with whatever you do to a device on the command line (e.g. run mkfs). It's also how we keep persistent device symlinks e.g. /dev/disk/* in sync.

Anyway, what this means is that one important goal in avoiding disk spin downs is to ensure that apps use O_RDONLY as much as possible. As it turns out, a whole bunch of apps get this wrong and open the device with O_RDRW just because they can.

Comment 6 Eric Sandeen 2009-07-17 19:39:45 UTC
David, interesting.  (just caught that latest comment) - can udev report who opened it RDWR?


Comment 7 Peter Backes 2009-07-17 20:24:52 UTC
Can someone please merge the following bugs/mark two of them as duplicate? They are all the same issue (hdparm opening device with O_RDRW instead of O_RDONLY):

bug #494711 -  Kernel prevents drive spinning down
bug #507963 -  hdparm can't spin down my pata drives
bug #511936 -  hdparm / -C wakes up disk?

In addition, the first is incorrectly filed as a kernel bug.

It's trivial to fix BTW (just needs updating to current upstream release).

Comment 8 Jannes Faber 2009-08-01 00:49:19 UTC
Just added Bug #515037, I think it belongs in the "depends on" list here.


Comment 9 Eric Sandeen 2009-08-01 02:36:31 UTC
Jannes, seems so, I've added it (I don't see it on my system but we'll let the other bug sort that out).

Comment 12 Radek Vokál 2016-11-05 13:28:11 UTC
Closing, seems all the tracking bugs are closed by now ..

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