This is a tracker bug to keep track of all known cases in F15 where GNOME Shell does not load correctly and the fallback to 'classic GNOME' (panel+nautilus) does not work; i.e., where attempting to enter GNOME results in an unusable system (but other desktops will work).
In bugs added to this, we need to collect a lot of hardware information. See: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems
Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g. 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login. Memory leaks aren't also related to this bug.
(In reply to comment #2) > Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense > here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g. > 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login. Memory leaks > aren't also related to this bug. To quote the title of the bug "Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities with GNOME 3" so based on that definition it makes perfect sense.
(In reply to comment #3) > (In reply to comment #2) > > Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense > > here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g. > > 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login. Memory leaks > > aren't also related to this bug. > > To quote the title of the bug "Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities > with GNOME 3" so based on that definition it makes perfect sense. Huh? No, look at Adam's original message here: "This is a tracker bug to keep track of all known cases in F15 where GNOME Shell does not load correctly and the fallback to 'classic GNOME' (panel+nautilus) does not work;" I appreciate the visibility for some of the bugs and they ARE important, but it's confusing to conflate them.
Why is this not blocking F15Blocker (aka bug 617261)?
Because single-card specific issues aren't blockers, certainly not automatic blockers. If any of them seem likely to affect a wide range of people, please flag them as blockers individually.
(In reply to comment #6) > Because single-card specific issues aren't blockers, certainly not automatic > blockers. If any of them seem likely to affect a wide range of people, please > flag them as blockers individually. I am not saying that Xorg should support all cards … really, Adam, you should know that I wouldn't think so. What I meant was that gnome-shell (or mutter or whatever is responsible for the decision) shouldn't try to run with OpenGL when it is not available (e.g., see bug 679579 which I added on the list of bugs blocking this one), but fall to fallback mode. That is IMHO sensible and should be required for F15 GA.
That's still a system-specific problem and as I said we have always not automatically considered those blockers. Would we delay F15's release because fallback detection fails on a single system? Probably not. Fallback detection is actually pretty complex and guaranteeing it will always work is a bit of an optimistic position, particularly for F15.
To give an analogy, we've often shipped with known bugs where the system would try to use a native driver and hang at a black screen; we did not mandate that the release not ship until all such cases were detected and made to fall back to VESA automatically.
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