Bug 678116 (F15GNOMEfail) - Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities with GNOME 3
Summary: Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities with GNOME 3
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Status: CLOSED WONTFIX
Alias: F15GNOMEfail
Product: Fedora
Classification: Fedora
Component: distribution
Version: 15
Hardware: Unspecified
OS: Unspecified
unspecified
unspecified
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Bill Nottingham
QA Contact: Bill Nottingham
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Depends On: 671294 672117 675010 675021 676189 676808 677310 677368 678115 678757 678803 679015 679579 680207 680252 680491 680751 681273 681740 682046 682063 683691 695349
Blocks:
TreeView+ depends on / blocked
 
Reported: 2011-02-16 19:08 UTC by Adam Williamson
Modified: 2018-04-11 13:26 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Last Closed: 2012-08-07 17:29:12 UTC
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Description Adam Williamson 2011-02-16 19:08:38 UTC
This is a tracker bug to keep track of all known cases in F15 where GNOME Shell does not load correctly and the fallback to 'classic GNOME' (panel+nautilus) does not work; i.e., where attempting to enter GNOME results in an unusable system (but other desktops will work).

Comment 1 Colin Walters 2011-02-17 16:54:34 UTC
In bugs added to this, we need to collect a lot of hardware information.

See:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems

Comment 2 Colin Walters 2011-02-28 14:34:17 UTC
Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g. 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login.  Memory leaks aren't also related to this bug.

Comment 3 Peter Robinson 2011-03-02 02:50:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #2)
> Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense
> here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g.
> 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login.  Memory leaks
> aren't also related to this bug.

To quote the title of the bug "Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities with GNOME 3" so based on that definition it makes perfect sense.

Comment 4 Colin Walters 2011-03-02 21:00:42 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> (In reply to comment #2)
> > Peter, I don't think that all of the mutter/gnome-shell crashes make sense
> > here; most of the ones you've added are likely to be hardware independent (e.g.
> > 680491 and 680252), and also I don't think they blocked login.  Memory leaks
> > aren't also related to this bug.
> 
> To quote the title of the bug "Tracker: F15 driver/hardware incompatibilities
> with GNOME 3" so based on that definition it makes perfect sense.

Huh?  No, look at Adam's original message here:

"This is a tracker bug to keep track of all known cases in F15 where GNOME Shell
does not load correctly and the fallback to 'classic GNOME' (panel+nautilus)
does not work;"

I appreciate the visibility for some of the bugs and they ARE important, but it's confusing to conflate them.

Comment 5 Matěj Cepl 2011-04-26 10:16:10 UTC
Why is this not blocking F15Blocker (aka bug 617261)?

Comment 6 Adam Williamson 2011-04-26 15:05:48 UTC
Because single-card specific issues aren't blockers, certainly not automatic blockers. If any of them seem likely to affect a wide range of people, please flag them as blockers individually.

Comment 7 Matěj Cepl 2011-04-26 15:31:31 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> Because single-card specific issues aren't blockers, certainly not automatic
> blockers. If any of them seem likely to affect a wide range of people, please
> flag them as blockers individually.

I am not saying that Xorg should support all cards … really, Adam, you should know that I wouldn't think so. What I meant was that gnome-shell (or mutter or whatever is responsible for the decision) shouldn't try to run with OpenGL when it is not available (e.g., see bug 679579 which I added on the list of bugs blocking this one), but fall to fallback mode. That is IMHO sensible and should be required for F15 GA.

Comment 8 Adam Williamson 2011-04-26 16:24:06 UTC
That's still a system-specific problem and as I said we have always not automatically considered those blockers. Would we delay F15's release because fallback detection fails on a single system? Probably not. Fallback detection is actually pretty complex and guaranteeing it will always work is a bit of an optimistic position, particularly for F15.

Comment 9 Adam Williamson 2011-04-26 16:25:03 UTC
To give an analogy, we've often shipped with known bugs where the system would try to use a native driver and hang at a black screen; we did not mandate that the release not ship until all such cases were detected and made to fall back to VESA automatically.

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